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Hardy kiwi - invasive or not?

 
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Hi all,
I'm looking for opinions from people who have hardy kiwi vines on their property, especially older, established ones.
I recently planted 7 cultivars on my property under some tall black cherry trees much to the horror of my neighbor, who referenced a local problem in Kennedy Park, Lenox, MA:

http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/dfg/dfw/wildlife-habitat-conservation/miller-case-studies-for-successful-management-on-town-and-land-trust-lands.pdf

Reading that proposal of course makes a case for them being invasive, but the problem appears to be the result of a 100-year-old planting at the now-demolished Hotel Aspinwall that was on the site.

Much of the evidence provided by MIPAG in this case is anecdotal or speculative; and in many instances, the claims are false. In general, the petition disregards the nearly 140 year history of the species in the region and seeks to portray abandoned historic plantings as invasions into second growth forests that are arguably younger than the vines themselves

-University of New Hampshire

This is also essentially what I was told by Stephen Bryer of Tripple Brook Farm who has been propagating them for decades. Other arguments against them being invasive are pretty well summarized here: https://permaculturegreenhouse.com/2017/01/05/call-to-action-hardy-kiwi-may-be-illegal-to-grow-in-new-england/


What has your experience been?

I am open to removing them if the risk of a future problem is high, but this appears to me like a management problem. What would you do?
 
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actinida arguta has been found to naturalize in Mass and CT, the vines are extremely aggressive. I don't think they are a really good choice for the long term, but that's just my opinion. I like a lot of invasive plants, but its hard for me to get excited about vines that can take down forest trees. I just started growing actinida kolomitka, another species of hardy kiwi. Its growth is not as vigorous, the vines only grow to about 20 ft at maturity, rather than the hundreds of feet that a. arguta will grow. There's not alot of good sources for cultivars of a. kolomitka. I got mine from Burnt Ridge Nursery, and I saw that HoneyberryUSA also carries them.
 
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Thanks for your reply Akiva, I found the CT study you mentioned. With two documented cases nearby I will probably remove them, no sense in risking it or causing needless issues with the neighbors.
I will have to look into a. kolomitka!

I'm still interested in opinions from anyone in NE that has established hardy kiwi vines if they care to chime in.
 
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I'm in south central NH, zone 4 (mostly it's 5 around here, but we're in a cold spot).  My 2 mature hardy kiwi vines, 1 male and 1 female, grow in pure sand with maybe 4-5 hours of full sun, on a VERY sturdy trellis.  I prune them back very hard after fruiting, which entails my taking off dozens of long, reaching vine branches.  Probably a couple hundred feet of vine.  They barely fruited for me until I got serious about mulching, then both fruit and overall growth took off.  I LOVE them, but have to say, their growth pattern and vigor is very similar to bittersweet.The last of their fruit is typically ripening after several frosts, with all the leaves gone.  If there's an early HARD frost, the unripened crop is lost.  They reach sublime flavors best when ripened on the vine, but if ripening has begun, they'll ripen acceptably indoors  if you have to pick to avoid a freeze.  

Although not a lot of fruit here hits the ground, enough has that if it was going to grow from seed, I think I would know it.  No sign of that, and no sign of it spreading by roots, either.  A couple long vines that hit the ground did set roots, but the vines are pretty serious about going up, not down.  A few years ago I planted more, in good garden soil, with much more sun.  They are just coming into production, and are very vigorous and happy where they are.  No sign of them spreading beyond where they were planted, though.  This is not a plant to ignore; it needs tending.  Don't put it near trees you care about and walk away; death by strangling seems pretty likely.  That being said, I would far rather have a vigorous plant that needs restraint than a fussy plant that needs pampering.

They are tricky to harvest (at least mine are) because the color change when ripe is so slight that you really have to go by feel.  By the time one is picked I may have lightly squeezed it a dozen times or more.  That's easy, contemplative time when picking for myself and friends, but would be expensive time if picking for sale.  What seems to happen is that growers pick them when they've attained full size, sell or share them, and those who try them end up with sour, hard fruit.  At their best, they are softer than a ripe banana, with flavors that develop in your mouth and make your eyes roll back in your head.  I've grown some outstanding pawpaws here, ripening in the same season, and when given both most people prefer the kiwis.  That's how good they can be.  But, the difficulty of picking them when perfectly ripe completely accounts for their being relatively unknown.

I don't weigh them, (eating them too fast) but do keep count as I go.  Last year my one mature female vine produced over 2100 perfect fruit.  A friend who has similar soil has been growing the arctic kiwi for years now.  No one could say that it's vigorous, let alone invasive.  In a good year she gets 2-3 dozen small fruit.

To my mind hardy kiwis are a lot like comfrey.  If you mismanage or ignore it, you'll have a big problem on your hands.  I don't think that building a strong trellis or yearly pruning is a lot to ask of your average permie, but an unattended kiwi vine would be a disaster for a hands-off homeowner.
 
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Laurie Lockwood wrote:I'm in south central NH, zone 4 (mostly it's 5 around here, but we're in a cold spot)....


Thanks for your description!

Do you think they would grow in dry Colorado at 7500’ feet?  I’m in Zone 5 but snow doesn’t go away until May.

My house gets pounded with full sun all day in the summer and I would love something to put on my south and west faces. Because my house is built on the side of a mountain the basement is walk out and so this side of the house is three floors. I’m wondering if it would reach that far.

Harvesting would be hard. I hear the Anna variety produces a lot, but I’m not sure how it compares to Arctic.
 
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Evan, have you had a chance to see the beautiful large tree that Stephen at Triple Brook Farm has the kiwi growing up and throughout?  When I was last there I noted that the kiwi had completely run throughout that tree and the tree didn't seem to mind in the least.  There was no strangling of any of the branches and the tree looked robustly healthy.  It was MUCH too large a tree for them to do any management to that kiwi...it had just run through the tree to its heart's content.  I wish I could recall what that tree was....will have to look in my notes from that wonderful trip.  
 
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Hi Seth...

Whether kiwi vines would do well in your location would depend, I suspect, on how much soil their roots have to spread in and how much moisture it holds.  Deep mulching with leaves, woodchips, and bark has worked well here.  On a hot, SW exposure, you might want to have their roots in an in-ground hugel bed.  Like anything else, they'll take a while to ramp up growth, but then, if they're happy, covering an arbor/trellis/shade structure up over a second-floor window is barely a stretch.  I'd be more concerned about their getting dessicated by dry winds, winter or summer, as they get over 15 or so feet tall, than about whether they can reach higher to shade a third storey.  Where mine grow is fairly sheltered from wind so I have no data on that, just a concern.  

Once you put up your STURDY structure, just guide the vines as they get started, with no pruning until you have the shade you want.  Then good pruning will help with fruit set.  On my trellis I set up a simple platform outside a window, to sit/stand on to wash the window from outside.  Turns out it doubles as a platform from which to pick!  It shouldn't be too hard to incorporate some such thing to allow picking without ladders.

I don't see any way to include pics to illustrate, or I would.  Best of luck!
Laurie
 
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Hi Seth...

Also, forgot to reply to your "when the snow melts" comment.  The hardy kiwis I have are quite late to leaf out and even later to blossom.  Nerve racking when other things (apples, pears) have already set fruit... but less likely to be affected by late-spring frosts.  Snow melt here is variable, but often late... just a couple years ago we had snow on Memorial Day.  From what I've seen, neither date of snow melt or snow fall should be an issue.  Just don't plant it where a slippery, metal roof unloads snow.

Laurie
 
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Massachusetts decided not to list hardy kiwi as an invasive because of its general lack of spread from areas of introduction.  Here's their ruling.  My assumption is that the seeds are generally not spread due to lack of wildlife interest.  Have others seen wildlife eating kiwi fruit here in North America?  Maybe just a matter of time until they figure it out?
 
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My kiwi has had birds nest in it, hide in it, seek shade in it, rest and poop in it, and occasionally I will see a beak-strike mark on (in) a ripe kiwi.  They have PLENTY of opportunity to eat kiwis, as I don't protect them with netting or anything.  They don't ever seem to follow up the initial taste by nomming on them wholesale.  I doubt that I had a dozen marred by birds last year, out of over 2000 fruit.  I wouldn't go so far as to say that seed spreading by wildlife is impossible... but I'm pretty sure it's not happening.
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