Robert Ray

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Sent out a couple feelers and by noon had an immersion heater gifted to me. Will fit in a 30-gallon galvanized garbage can. Need to fab a drip can and will add a square of carbon felt in the drip chamber I don't have to drop paper in to start pan.
1 hour ago
The final heating elements (PTC) were delivered today. So I will begin this weekend on the assembly.
21 hours ago
Never having built a RMH but seeing that some use pipe in their construction, maybe someone could offer their opinion in how long pipe lasts within an insulated construction. Temperatures within an oil drip stove would be nowhere near the temps achieved in a RMH. Duct hose and a bilge fan could be used to exhaust fumes from a structure.
1 day ago
I have seen a WWII immersion water heater that would be placed in a 55 gallon barrel. The base and burn chamber a donut shape that rested on the bottom of the drum and the chimney and feed pipe/air inlet up to the top of the barrel. At the top a vessel of a couple of gallons held diesel or waste oil that drips oil down the feed pipe to the burn chamber. No reason the heating medium couldn't be sand.
1 day ago
I don't have a RMH, but I do want to try a sand battery heater in the green house.
My test will be creating a sand battery 2ft x 2ft x 12 ft corrugated sides, to simulate the mass of a RMH Two courses of bricks at the base, the remainder will be filled with sand.
I picked up the bed materials today from Home Depot. Spent some time with Jeff Besos ordering heating elements from Amazon today.
My experiment will be placing the different elements within the central 4 feet of the bed.
The heating elements I ordered consist of a broiler element, a water heating element, an industrial immersion heater, a clothes dryer heating element, an eight inch stove top element, 6 PTC elements. So about 150.00 dollars worth of different heat sources that will be placed within that central 4 feet of the 12 ft bed.
I will be using an EL-USB-1-PRO temperature logger set to read at 15 min increments.  I will use three candy thermometers  pushed into the sand to monitor visually. I have a laser thermometer to check side temps from top to bottom. I only have one day off a week. That one day I will run un-switched to see how hot it will get. 130-140 seems to be the upper limit of a comfortable heated seat so that will be my temp setting when running through the switch.
I will try two different switch types, a water heater switch and a stove bourbon tube style. I will run direct from the solar panel to each element, switching to a different element after a seven day run.
Should I create a void down the center to simulate the RMH chimney?
If nothing else I hope to use the sand battery as a heated seed starting table during my trial run.
Any suggested additions to the experiment?
I do have a 500 watt wind turbine that I considered hooking up to wring some energy out at night but think I'll hold off for the initial trials.
1 week ago
William,
AC resistance heaters will heat up with DC voltage. A water heater switch affixed to the mass of the RMH in a similar fashion to how they are affixed to the water tank, the back temp sensing portion pressed against the mass wouldn't care if it were AC or DC either. Sensing temperature on the bench portion of the RMH and shutting it down at a safe temp..
We wouldn't be within the bell we would be imbedded within the mass part of a RMH.
We could loop into a solar array that is dumping after the battery bank is full, or be using a direct lone panel or two
Moisture concerns within the RMH shouldn't be an issue after the heater has run a few cycles and cured.
Imbedded in the mass the element through conduction heating the mass allowing the mass to radiate after it is charged.
1 week ago
Benjamin, the heat transfer of a resistance heater in the battery mass would be through conduction, no need for the addition of a fan.
2 weeks ago
Benjamin, we have the RMH mass. what is the difference in charging that mass with fire and a heating element. The addition of a free stacking method to heat that mass that requires no labor input or fuel after install. Let's forget sand battery since that seems to be an issue and call it thermal mass. A RMH's mass is a proven heating system the hiccup seems to be how we are charging the mass. The Polar Night system I reference was to show that a sand battery is in use, but it is using an entirely different process to use that heat. Charging the RMH mass is an elementary process.
2 weeks ago