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Workparty on Vashon!

 
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We would like to post an invitation to our local permie world about
our latest project(s) at Gaia's Paradise, Vashon -- and see if we can garner some interest in joining us.
Currently, we are needing to move brush, buck wood, haul and stack, as well as fell a few more trees.

    We may even consider Hugelkultur with all the leftover slash from fallen trees!

1. What would be really cool is to know what sizes to save for mushroom
farming, then get those suckers hauled off to the side somewhere (total
shade?).(Order mushrooms when it's warmer, right?)
2. Then what else would be cool is to save the good tree crotches of
various lengths for rustic furniture legs.... and just think of all the
furniture possibilities for the artist with the right 'eye' for what
(s)he  needed! There's a LOT of wood coming down!
3. Then the orchard needs to be deer-fenced.
4. Measuring the space for accurate sketching plans to scale...using the
3 point method used in class.
5. Possible using the triangle tool for marking contour lines.
6. Chipping the slash (if we can find a small chipper to rent/borrow and
buy that we can haul up there). OR Hugelkultur!
7. A design discussion about orchard tree placement, perhaps swales?
8. Preparing the tree planting sites--- and dig up the trees and plant
them!
9. Use the chips for paths, possibly.
10. THEN there's the design needed for our front yard where the orchard
tree nursery WAS..... and installation! Food Forest Garden!!!
11. Oh yea....let's remember the water source issues too...perhaps dig
out the pond a bit more... do some more filtration experiments? Perhaps a
constructed wetland?

There are lots of things a person could choose from. They could choose the
focus of their choice and we could give them the timeline. Timline! Oh
Yea!
We must create a timeline for all this stuff.

Well.... the items pertinent to getting the orchard planted by March are
NUMBER ONE! Trees are falling right NOW (into the orchard, too!) in preparation for
this. When they get all cleaned up and out, then we can plant trees and
deer-fence the orchard. Other items can come later.

John and Linda would like to get a work party together SOON! How about 2/7-8 and 2/14,15,16?

Call Linda at 206-963-1058 to RSVP
 
                            
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I noted the question re: about mushrooms on felled trees.

FYI, fresh cuts only have a short window of opportunity for inoculation.  Each breed is specific, but generally their immune system of chemistry persists after felling and after it subsides, they are invaded with all sorts of spore entering the cut and through the bark.  The spores are lurking in an incredibly dense layer just on the edge of the trees defense mechanisms.

That being the case, inoculation is a waste of time immediately after felling or cutting a fresh living tree.  So... the trick is wait for the right time.  What that time is depends on the tree.  But generally, after two weeks spore can access them unhindered.  Within a matter of weeks, the wood can be infiltrated with mycelium from whatever spores might have been in it's environment. 

That being the case, I inoculate two weeks after the cut.  But I also wax the ends of the cordword immediately at the time of felling and/or stacking so that the moisture stays as high as possible and other spores won't infiltrate the butt ends while the log rests.  The best wax to use is a water based pure wax used by wood workers for sealing logs and lumber.  I don't know what they call it, but it is not melted wax... that is a total hassle and not worth the trouble.  The water emulsified stuff is a real treat... pour a bit in pan and dip/seal your logs quick and easy.  Use a brush on the branch stubs and you have a sealed log that can rest till it's immune chemistry subsides.

Once you've got your wood sealed, stacked in the shade or covered, order your spore from fungiperfecti.com or wherever.  You can get it as pre-inoculated wood plugs that are driven into pre-drilled holes along the length of the log and then waxed shut, or you can band saw them in half lengthwise and sandwich some chip based loose spore between then strap or nail the log back together.  There are other approaches for sure, but plugging seems to work for most. You can even generate your own spore by taking a good producing log, stripping it as clean to the core as you can then chip that core all up in as clean an environment you can manage.  That chip will be full of the living mycelium of the mushroom that the log was hosting and can be used immediately to inoculate other fresh, sterile logs. 

Then wait.  When the season for fruiting comes along, pop goes the weasel!  Mushrooms forever.... or until the log's cellulose is completely consumed.  Aspen, Ash, Poplar, last for years, the harder woods longer.  Of course, some trees have very persistent immune defenses, so check just what the correct timing is before you waste you time and money on spore. That first order to get a new site infiltrated for generations can be expensive, so be smart about it.

For real production, folks don't wait for the seasonal time, but force the fruiting artificially with cold water dips to fool the mycelium into acting like it's time... waste of time and energy if you've time on your side and the scale of your venture is more natural.

Check out http://fungiperfecti.com/

WRT to what to do with all that slash...

Creative stacking can create:

Deer proof island barriers for fresh tree plantings, stack 'em high, surround an area after planting and putting irrigation in place.  Whittle away at the pile over the years till the trees are old enough to be deer safe.

Chicken habitat for young birds not laying yet. (no one wants to dig through a pile of brush for eggs...)

Hog bedrooms

Rabbit warrens

primitive short term bio degradable gabions

raised bed walls, planter walkways

or you can make char with it... that would also be a way to sterilize zones with real bad perennial weeds.  The char burn will sterilize underneath it for a foot deep.

or you could pile it up, run a D9 (geesus big bulldozer) over it to bring it down to size and bury it with a layer of soil or invasive blackberry topsoil scrappings.  Keep it wet and in a few years you'll have a water and nutrient tank that will explode growth like you've never seen before. Or turn it all into char by waiting till after it's all dried out before you bring in the D9.

The short version... smile from ear to ear!, you've got a gold mine of life packed into nice neat concentrated packages, you just have to look at it that way for awhile.... till you've cracked the code and can copy nature's way without even considering 'status quo'.  With time and creative placement, the forest feeds it's furry footed friends forever....


 
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