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My tractor needs a couple of new tires. Knowing how the inside of the rims on the back ones looked, I assume the front rims are rusty etc inside too.

If a tire is made to be tubeless, can I add a tube to it? Will that increase or decrease the chances it will go flat? What if the rim is possibly rusty etc, will that affect which would hold better?

For what it's worth, one of the front tires holds it's air, the other one I think has actually taken damage to the tire, it's possible the rims are intact enough that the tires are tubeless and holding. Possible. They could also be tubed. I really don't know. I know we put tubes into the back tires.

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As it seems with all things Permie, I imagine the answer is “depends”. I have inserted tubes into tubeless tires. But just because it worked on the specific tires I had doesn’t mean it will work on a different kind of tire.

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I have yet to see a tire that holds air that can not have a tube put in it in 40+ years of working on things. Clean the rims / wheels up good removing all the rust and crud and put a couple coats of GOOD primer and paint on the inside. Make sure the paint is fully cured before reassembly! If you leave the rim tacky or not completely cured the tube and tire may become permanently attached by bonding with the paint.

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larry kidd wrote:I have yet to see a tire that holds air that can not have a tube put in it in 40+ years of working on things. Clean the rims / wheels up good removing all the rust and crud and put a couple coats of GOOD primer and paint on the inside. Make sure the paint is fully cured before reassembly! If you leave the rim tacky or not completely cured the tube and tire may become permanently attached by bonding with the paint.

And if there's no way I can do the clean up and painting? Would putting a tube in help?

I can't remove these or fix them by myself, will require a tire guy who "does pasture calls" who is not cheap. I really don't want to have to pay him to come back twice. I'm REALLY budget floored right now. Trying to decide if, when I buy the tires, I need to buy tubes too. Tubes are cheaper than a second visit from him after rim clean up is.

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Any chance you have any old tubes laying around you can cut a band out of. Another layer between the rim and new tube. Maybe the tire guy has some he can cut for you. Something to keep sharp / rough edges off the new tube. If nothing else a layer of quality duck tape around the rim where the tube would ride.

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larry kidd wrote:Any chance you have any old tubes laying around you can cut a band out of. Another layer between the rim and new tube.

Probably, yes. There's a tire shop in town that I hit their dumpster for tubes, I use them for shoe soles and knee pads.
I'll check their dumpster, thank you, that makes sense. I also have lots of tape.

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Just came in from the city, I have two good used tires and two tubes, and a 2 quart thing of a stop leak that you put in and leave in.
The tire shop guys advised tubes, since there was question as to the rims, told me where to buy what size tubes to go in those tires. Nice helpful guys.
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Duck tape or leak stop are likely to compound the problem next time you have to deal with something.

Maybe the tire goo wouldn't be that bad on a tractor, but I've regretted using it in passenger vehicles and bicycles.

The old tube should work for a rim strip, but I've found gaff(er) tape works best. Duck(t) will leave behind a superfund site if you ever want to clean it up propper. A tube sticking to the rim is not a good thing.

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Just an FYI, yes, you can almost always run a tube in a tubeless tire. It will decrease the chances of it going flat (adds an extra layer of rubber material for a tire that is built to be strong enough to not go flat, extra ply helps too). You can likely still run it with a rusty rim, but it might be rough on the tube and cause it to wear. A rusty rim could also keep the bead of the tubeless tire from sealing and cause it to leak air.

If you have a rim/wheel that takes a tube, then you can't run a tubeless tire on it because there is no bead lip for the tire to seal on.

I ran MonsterTires.com for 2.5 years, so I know a bit about this. Not a bad site if you are looking for tractor tires and/or rubber tracks. Local shops tend to have better prices on tires though.

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