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Car Ran On Water To Hydrogen Spark Plug 2006

 
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Man in Georgia converted his 1978 El camino to hydrogen in 2006,, from spark plug electrolysis of water. 400watt inverter to DC with coils inductors for magnetic field applied. . Lots of data on Internet.  7amp peak current as 2.8A average DC current. Timing was changed to - late 34 degrees, as used with Hydrogen gas. He said about 18 MPG on water only. S1R9A9M9 Nathren , and his son, also Nathren worked on it for 8 months to get it running proper. The EGR greatly smoothed out the rough engine running due to the inherent Nitrogen content of exhaust gases applied.  2rnd battery ran the conversion and car alternator charged both batteries with isolater box. They ran it for about 3000 miles and locked it up in security garage. Wife divorced him, and took her car back with the conversion parts removed. He then had Chevy V8 engine on engine stand running large generator for free electricity on water line for work shop. The carb had the main jet redrilled about 33% larger hole to accommodate higher flow of  water.
 
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This 2008 video is an offshute of the earlier car engine conversions of spark plug electrolysis in Georgia . It is assumed, the same method was applied to the lawn mower engine here. The plastic tub holds the electromagnet putting field over plug wire to retard the timing , for use with hydrogen gas. Also in there is the dual coils relay for use with ONLY the interior 2 inductors and center diode. It is believed the vacuum sealed relay forms RADIANT ENERGY that benefits the firings. RE not escape because of no air, and follows wiring to plug. The 110v AC to Dc inverter (hidden in cement block rear hole )  sends 7 amps peak current as 2.6 amps average DC current through zero ohm Champion spark plug just AFTER the high volts pulse. The Magnetron trigger is aided by an added on, put together Patent TESLA small circuit that increases the Primary back emf , so as the secondary side gives way higher ignition volts, about 24KV as needed. Lawn mower ignition needs to be boosted up as equal to auto ignition coils. Uneven engine runnings during 2005-2008, was allieviated when adding in EGR for the Nitrogen content. Also the Inverter box should be changed to pure sine wave type,- not modified square wave type as commonly used, as not good with inductive electrical loads. The Briggs engine was self running on the ring , dual alternators under flywheel. The small flashlight battery pack for the ignition modification only used milliamps. The large car battery was only there for the starter motor, then completely disconnected. Low power conversion, but 18HP shown as working. The green Inverter in video background was broken and just left in video. That's why man said inverter WAS NOT USED in the 2 successful 2008 You Tube videos of S1R9A9M9.
 
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                             Source Derivation of Original S1R9A9M9 Triple Coils Assembly

I made up paper folders for the different sections of S1R project. Today informing you about the 3 main components of the mower engine conversion of 2008, and reasons why.  I'm going with the flow.  The technicians in Georgia work shop did all the tinkering. Nathren senior is a non technical person. Long ago, I was the one who told you about the Briggs on board Dual alternators, running on 12 permanent magnets. Nathren said there weren't any. I found photo of the alternators wire harness behind starter showing as being present. With car battery removed , after starter use, there has to be source of electrical power. Now it is reasonably assumed the new mower engine is converted same way as the cars, with Inverter + Relay. The dimensions of relay allow fit inside plastic tub sideways, with S1r coil.

The technicians had earlier did a test in engine compartment about a hand wound electromagnet. That was called the 60 turns coil test. I sent you paper on that. 20 amps battery DC current flows through wire coil 60 turns OVER PLUG WIRE with steel core with amp gauge and resistor load. When ignition fires, the gauge momentary drops to 12 amps. 60% balance volts in electromagnet due to the ignition line inducing reactance ohms into the low volts line. By viewing on their oscilloscope, the TIME extension of spark was realized.
Now, in general, the magnetic field is in direct proportion to amps current within the same LENGTH coil. So the maximum amps from alternators as 15AMPS DC full wave rectified is divided up for 4.4A SEPARATE electromagnet to load resistor to ground,  and 10.6 amps Inverter box primary side. Core steel nail or long screw was 3/16" at 3-4" long. 10.6+4.4 = 15 amps. So then reducing down the 20A to 4.4A is the SAME ratio 4.5 of winds. So 60 turns  / 4.5  = "13" turns  #16 gauge insulated wire S1R9A9M9 electromagnet. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
The #12-#14 bare copper wire was used as a FRAME SUPPORT for 90 degree 7 winds. The idea was to cause disruption interference with the ignition coil Magnetron to form longer on time for use with hydrogen fuel.  90 degrees and the lower magnetic field. CORE STEEL ONLY UNDER !3 TURNS as the electromagnet.
I did bench tests with neon bulbs graduated meter showing transfer of 90-200 volts induction to battery side coils. Some guys in forum grabbed the ends of low volts wires and got shocked. I also determined that bare wire cannot be used as shorting, "tick tick" noise and flash  . This will cause uneven engine running. Insulated 16 gauge wire also shorted occasionally. I finally used 10KV white china high voltage cable to stop the shorts.
The conversion process needs an edge for efficiency. The car conversions worked, so to put it on video, the Briggs engine should work the same way. Nathren senior, shorted out the Green inverter box and left it in the videos. He said Inverter not used. Another smaller wattage unit was used for videos and probably hidden in cement block hole or underneath in ground hole. 100 volts is required for the tiny spark plug electrodes.
The Magic Relays, per cylinder,  most likely were  giving off Radiant Energy on each of the engines. High volts hits diode cathode . Diode shuts off. Plug fires, then diode on, releasing Radiant Energy. Data was from the alternate energy forum on Internet. The Relays perfect sealed chamber full vacuum allowed no dispersion of energy waves into air. The extra new energy follows circuit to spark plugs.
The triple coils is hooked up, through,  from one end to the other end. In that regard the other  Megatran drawing is CORRECT. The old Georgia forum stated that it was just easier to wind 3 separate wire coils, with joint. Based on my drawing scenarios, the numbers 5 and 1 line, 7, and 13 turns are correct. The field was to slightly only adjust for late timing past TDC to get about 7 PEAK amps. Longer on time in milliseconds, past about 15% duty cycle,  would lower the Peak pulse amps. The Georgia tech people said about 7 amps current was best for spark plug at about .080" gap , and the eventual slower eroding of electrodes. See the  2 2008, S1R9A9M9 You tube videos Briggs engine ran on water to hydrogen gas.
 
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S1R9A9M9 Reference Time Data Given For Enlightenment

​Important TIME LINE data here today, for the You tube videos of the Briggs engine that ran on water in Georgia.

June 24, 2008 summer. Successful 2 video demonstrations of 18HP Briggs mower engine running on water in carb. Son removes engine from shop and puts it in back yard with father on cement block with large holes for main shaft and other hidden items.. The shop technicians had reconfigured the water fuel system , not Nathren father who is not tech minded. ( from original web forum data sheets)

August 2008,  two months later. The back porch scene Georgia, Nathren father, failed attempt to run same engine on water in carb, with JUST S1R9A9M9 coils assembly and resistance lightbulb load on battery. Helper holds camera . PROBABLY NOT the son , also Nathren, since he was a technician who worked on designs in work shop with the 2 other technicians. Son would have known about all parts used on Briggs engine to run it properly.

"The Smack" two videos were on the later December 2010 at Nathren's property. He got donations for charges incurred for the 1000mile trip. Just another young mechanic guy who thinks he knows everything. Several common tests were not done with the Briggs engine at that time. Engine again, not running on water. Son not present.

February 7, 2011.  Nathren senior attempts to disassemble engine and discovers rust from engine setting too long , from 2008. Piston cylinder scored and valve(s) stuck.  This proves engine would not run from Aug 2008 + Dec2010.

Conclusion : Briggs engine not proven could not run on Hydrogen gas derived from spark plug electrolysis and water vapor pressure from repulsion of ions. Original extra parts such as Inverter + special Relay, alternators hook up, were NOT put back on engine for proper RETESTING, and would not have worked any way due to NO available engine COMPRESSION.


 
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S1R data notes to think about , adjustment to Megatran. Final purpose as to see Briggs engine converted with mineral water in carb.
Recently going over Nathren's actual statements , as to figure what he was referring to, as really valid. Most likely found it. Never thought of it before.
First,- car conversions used Inverter box and "special Relays" + some Hydrogen gas , requiring 110v DC.

Second, -Mower engine conversion used Configuration of triple wires assembly with other small parts. Reference was for generation of piston pressure from increased ignition volts along with increase of ignition current, and repulsion of polarized water vapor ions, moving engine piston. Was said no Inverter nor special relay.

Mention of Tesla US Patent circuit to Magnetron primary increase back EMF volts to secondary side. Large inductor + capacitor added to circuit. This then validates the Dave+5 bench test done earlier for huge ignition high volts.

2008 Briggs engine video 1 had no fuel from carb float bowl since lower 12v solenoid valve shuts off orifice. The end wire connector not hooked up. Video 2 had no float bowl .

Original 4000ohms spark plug WAS changed to QC12YC as 125 ohm, that can be changed to zero ohms.

Several documents papers told of water vapor with repulsion ions. This is similar to Browns gas, - also called electrified water.

Statement that inverter was not used, and the shorted, broken green box inverter was left in videos as a distraction.

The strange missing ground connection had been found , as the plug was shorted on brown extension cord, so as a very long wire connects plastic deli tub to spark plug ground casting.

Nathren said the S1r coils was easier to put together with three wires instead of 2. This is where I lost the train of thought. He said the coils does work!. Some engines are wired differently. That's why 3 wires. If engine hook up one way doesn't work, just switch the wires around. (I forgot about that) THAT MEANS POLARITY REFERENCE. This is why it's important. The engine will start and run. There was no exact wording on everything. Today's notes may be greatly enlightening. Engines fire from positive ground or positive to negative ground. Nathren said circuit will work ok for both types. That's what the wires JOINT was for. Take apart and switch around. He was trying to get additive SUPERIMPOSED polarity to SECONDARY side instead of subtraction of opposite polarities. (I had always thought about opposite polarities).

Nathren said the S1R coils was a different kind of step up transformer for current.  He meant a magnetic field electromagnet and step down transformer same time for extra current added to the high voltage.  Step up current about 1:13 or less , due to inefficiencies. This is where he got the notion of 100 times increase in current from small milliamps ignition.

These parts in tub along with the other 2 general relays for the STARTING MODE only, probably underneath plastic engine cowl.  12v DC relay coil receives 12v from starter terminal , when positive battery cable manually touches starter terminal. Relay clicks on , then allowing 2nd 110v AC relay to click on for contacts connected to Magnetron side Tab terminal . Useful negative 130 volts pulsing available. I have tested this a few times with small loads and leds. The high OHMS of coil does not interfere with the shut down terminal shutting off engine. Since this terminal on Magnetron was being used, a separate wire was added in both videos, flopping in the air, to spark plug top as engine shut down means when touching casting ground. The on + off contacts runs the electromagnet/ transformer.  DC square waves of about 15-34% duty cycle on time of flywheel.

Now there is a separate wire from ground at spark plug going up to series 1kv diodes 6 A as FR607 or black block 15kv diode. .75 amp and has surge high current capability at low duty cycle. The diode with proper cathode facing means, clips onto the ignition cable with small alligator clip at point of upper end near the 13 turns coil. This provides a full loop circuit secondary side for a transformer, through spark plug,  using the one line under the steel core. The CHANGING magnetic field of core and primary side allows a secondary current to be induced in the high volts line, if polarities are in alignment. The diode effectively blocks the ignition from bypassing the spark plug. This seems to match the wording of Nathren, to get engine to run on water.
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