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Robert Ray
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You don't get the whole picture sometimes, but did this Judge really think the wording of his ruling through? Regardless of what side of the raw milk issue you are on. The wording  as presented is troublesome to me.

http://nonais.org/2011/9/27/wi-no-right-to-produce-or-eat-food
 
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Eh, I don't get it.  Why do people think we have a right to put what we want in our body?  Do I have a right to take cocaine?  No.  Do I have a right to drink alcohol under the age of 21?  No.  Do I even have the right to grow certain plants like marijuana?  Hell, I don't even have the right in Texas to grow about a dozen plants that aren't even used for drugs.  I could be ARRESTED for growing water lettuce and serve up to 6 months!

The guberment has already taken away my rights to consume what I choose.  Why is this so different?

Don't get me wrong.  I think all of it is crap (well, maybe not prohibiting hydrilla...that stuff is evil).  It's just that this ISN'T NEW.  We DON'T have the right to consume what we please.  The lawyers need to use a different argument here because the judge is right.
 
Robert Ray
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I guess I was making a disinction between food and cocaine, marijuana, alcohol and prescription drugs. Depending on what country/state you live in the consumption/use of  some of those aren't verbotten everywhere.
The Judge did mention a plantiff his cow and that personal consumption so personally I think the judge is wrong on that point alone, however I didn't hear arguments on each side.
 
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Robert Ray wrote:
I guess I was making a disinction between food and cocaine, marijuana, alcohol and prescription drugs.


Illegal food in the US:

Raw Akee fruit
Magosteens (actually now they are legal but weren't until 2007)
Sassafras oil
Red Fish (outside of MS)
Wild Beluga Caviar
UK Haggis

And it's illegal to slaughter a horse.  But you can slaughter a cow.

So there is no grounds to stand on with the argument we can eat what we want or raise what we want to eat (i.e. horse).

But trust me.  The raw milk ban in most states has me upset.  It's just nothing new that what we eat/consume is being regulated.

By the way, I drink raw milk every day...I don't want that taken away from me!
 
Robert Ray
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It seems we're on the same page with government regulation on consuming food produced  on ones property.
The ruling is a bit different than some of the foods and restrictions you point out.
Mangosteen a non issue now
Importation bans of a Beluga caviar and haggis since it contains sheep lung isn't really the same thing as what the ruling covered.
Sassafras oil is still available and no apparent regulation about personal use but there are restrictions on use in mass produced foods.
What I understand is there are no slaughterhouses for horses w/FDA inspection but state by state regulations for personal butchering of horses for meat.
Red fish if you are referring to red snapper in the atlantic gulf, is because of overfishing.
There is no argument from me that in some cases, overfishing,inhumane harvest,....should at some time come into play however food I produce with my own hands for my own personal consumption is quite a bit different and more on the lines of the judges ruling.
 
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I think one needs to distinguish between the right to consume an item and the right to import or sell an item for consumption.  Some items may be illegal to import or sell for consumption but may be perfectly legal to consume if you produce your own.  Raw milk is one example. 
 
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Ludi, in some places, it is apparently not legal to drink raw milk from your own cow...
http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/wi-judge-denies-basic-property-rights.htm

I think this judge's conclusions are congruent with other rulings on food and on, for instance, marijuana.
 
Robert Ray
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Hemp food products are readily available in many natural food stores, so the use of some strains of marijuana for consumption is legal. Once it's used for recreation is where those laws come into play.
I see where an attempt was made by the plaintiff to board a cow off of their residential location.
What I have an issue with, and this is the same case, is 5) Plantiffs do not have the fundemental right to produce and consume food of their choice.
I can see how it could be challenged not a fundemental right but  for instance a religious right for proper preperation of and type of foods for dietary requirements.  I see this part of his his ruling as too broad and reaching.
To distill it down I see the ability to board a cow off site at essentially a dairy farm will probably be upheld. Raw milk consumption is illegal in WI where this occured.
To prevent one from raising their own food of choice other than milk on property they own, which appears could be included in the ruling is a dangerous precedent.
 
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He is now a retired judge (as of 9-30-11):
http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/article_f25f22b3-4a89-50e3-8d32-06da1adb92f2.html

His ruling reflected WI law, not the US Constitution.  Since the plaintiff failed to prove otherwise, the judge determined that he was operating a dairy, and as such, fell under the state's dairy regulations.

Dairy lobbies are very powerful in WI.  Sad day for consumers and citizens.
 
Robert Ray
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Though retired from the bench it appears from other articles that he as taken a position with a firm that represents Monsanto.
That doesn't mean he is working for Monsanto but makes one wonder.
 
Daniel Morse
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Bla, bla, ba,...

Ok kids. Lets put the responsibility on the shoulders of who? YOU!

I have worked 3 county fairs in the last month for my school. I am always across from the political parties if they have a booth at the fair. It just worked out this way. I have educated my state reps and local reps all summer. They have NO IDEA what I am talking about. They look at me like I am a crazy. Then, the next time I see them thy will admit they had no idea what I was talking about, food freedom or education until they looked it up for themselves. Most are good eggs, just always did the status quo,.....

MY POINT! Yes, I am talking loud here.

Until you make your elected officials knowledgeable and educated them they often just vote the way they are told. We know who tells them. Now, what YOU going to do about it?

Of course last summer I was run off the road after such an education session at the one county fair. Run off the road and followed by the police a few times on the way home. See folks. This is why defending freedom is risky. Living without freedom is much more deadly.

One more thing. Many would rather smoke your grass and just complain. Do enforcement a favor to be left alone. Fool. Keep it up and you too will be rounded up just like the Nazis did to the "undesirables". Sooner or latter.

Paul, do not let your farm become Rainbow Farm redone. They killed them boys. You may have fewer friends than you may think. Just play it straight and forward. Be the example for everyone and do not lessen your self to make weak people happy. For they will be the ones who drive the nail and put you on a cross. Off subject? Maybe, just think about it. Play this smart. Play it clean and play to make a better future.

BTW, get off your duffs and vote local and national. Educate all elected officials and be their friend. They are people too.


 
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