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What motivates your interest in permaculture?

 
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I have a question.  Allow me to describe two oversimplified types of permie.  I'm curious which one you are.

Permie #1 - Uses permaculture systems/ideals as a means to provide for oneself, family, and community.  Strives to be as productive as possible while consuming the least resources possible, not due to concerns about scarcity or the environment, but because it makes personal economic sense.  Focused on building a lifestyle, business, and community which provides for it's own needs.  Aware that all of this has the additional benefit of "saving the planet", but not overly concerned.  Shops at the farmer's market as a way to get high quality food and connect with locals who grow it.  Not motivated by fear of climate change or pressure to reduce one's "carbon footprint", rather they are motivated by family and community.  Less likely to be nomadic or live in a van, rather they are focused on owning property and putting it to use.

Permie #2 - Uses permaculture systems/ideals as a way to reduce the impact that their life has on the earth.  Strives to reduce consumption of resources due to concerns about scarcity or environmental health.  Doesn't do so much in the realm of building or producing, rather they are more focused on reducing impact by (for example) getting a hybrid car, shopping at the farmer's market to reduce plastic consumption, walking/biking everywhere, and reminding their friends not to use plastic straws.  A main concern for them is "saving the planet".  Tends to look down on or be impatient with people who drive trucks, for example, because they see the higher gas consumption and exhaust as a personal attack.  Less likely to be focused on building a family, perhaps  they believe it's not "environmentally responsible".  More likely to be renting or nomadic, probably looking for an "intentional community" of some kind.

I hope my descriptions make sense and don't have too much political undertone.  I am mainly asking:  What is your motivation for using permaculture, to produce, or to reduce?  

While writing this I imagined several areas of overlap where both permies would take the same action, even for the same reason.  But I ask because in my mind, these two permies are an archetype for many of us.  I know an owner of a "zero waste" store local to me, whose main marketing draw is to tell people that they are destroying the earth, unless they purchase "zero waste" products; then they're saving the earth. That person would probably be Permie #2.  I personally don't think humans are capable of destroying/restoring the earth in such ways, so this doesn't motivate my interest in permaculture.  I want to provide for myself, my future family, and establish a sense of community in my neighborhood, and I don't think that having a hierarchy based carbon footprint reduction induces better neighborly relationships.  That would make me Permie #1.  

I don't think the Prius guy should have so much resentment towards the truck guy, because the truck guy can haul materials to build gardens that Prius guy can't.  But, Prius guy can shoot up to Home Depot really quick to grab that one little pipe fitting that truck guy forgot, and it won't cost $15 in gas.  

Again, these are general archetypes.  None of us are going to be exactly #1 or #2.  But which one do you fit closer to, and what are your thoughts on the overlap?
 
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To me, permaculture is part of a spiritual journey to become more symbiotic, which is in my opinion the only logical evolutionary path forward for humanity.  However I started because I was pissed a spice jar of rosemary was $8 while the plant was $3.50 and just wanted to save a few bucks.  
 
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For me, permaculture is a way to work with natural systems to increase biodiversity and resilience in our landscape.

 
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just interesting, and also as an emergency supply of edible items just happy there growing away year after year.  I also like hiking in the woods, so - it is a good excuse to do so.  Not unlike going fishing can sometimes be more about the boat ride than the fishing … lol
 
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I am a minimalist by nature, so Permiculture really embraces that.

Many of the principals of permaculture are long established methods that have been forgotten. Many have been used on this farm for generations, so it was natural to revert back to what was previously done, instead of spending money to do the same thing.
 
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