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Hello kelda,

Welcome to Wildlife Gardeners.

You are welcome here but you are not going to be allowed to spam our forums with threads such as the one you started. We do not allow that in our forums.

You, and Sepp Holster, are both welcome to participate in our forums and we do provide an area for businesses to promote themselves for no charge if they are approved. We approve the businesses. Our decision is final. I see no reason why you would not be approved but you've gone about it all the wrong way.

I encourage you to read the four threads in this area of our board before you post again.
http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/for...splay.php?f=87
It will only take you a few minutes to read our guidelines and fine print.

It's simply disrespectful to register at a site, post a splash ad complete with links as your first post, then disappear. Get it?

Next time you do this, you will be banned and your IP address will be reported as spam.

Cheers,
Feerless Weeder
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Hi there fearless weeder,
what I did is expected and Encouraged at the other two forums similar to this,
https://permies.com/permaculture-forums
http://www.rewild.info/conversations/

Why was it disrespectful?

I even went on at permies.com to post a link to Your website, and tell people about it.

If the content is okay, was it just that I didn't post on more topics?
kelda

Hi Kelda,

We don't have a lot of rules here but one of the rules we have is no promotion in any post in the forums. If the board let one person do it, the flood gates would be opened and we would be inundated with ads for everything from potting mixes to gardening clogs to organic breakfast cereals laced throughout our threads.

If you had been an active member of the site who had been registered for a while posting that you were going to be attending his seminar... it would have been different, You came out of nowhere posting as if you were his North American advertising agency. You titled your first thread, "Sepp Holzer to teach in North America!" and the proceeded to type the following, "SEPP HOLZER IN PERSON
~a once in a lifetime opportunity to learn from him~". Surely you can understand why your thread was reported by 5 other members. If they aren't allowed to promote, they don't want other forum members promoting.

So yes, it was disrespectful. As an administrator of the site, I am capable of seeing everywhere you visited before you started that thread. We log all visits to our site. You never even added to your profile that you were from the state of Washington yet your IP address states you are. That was a pretty strong first post from somebody nobody knows.

I'd like you to consider something. Here is a discussion on American Permaculture that I'd like you to take a moment to read-
http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/for...hp?t=99&page=5

This is our Mission Statement which you can view at our home page-
Wildlife Gardeners promotes environmentally sound practices to preserve biodiversity. We do so by encouraging discussions of the preservation, restoration and establishment of native flora and fauna AND sustainable gardening practices. The Best science will prevail. We are an environmental tutelage and advocacy organization dedicated to fostering a love of ecosystems and education in the areas of environmental science and natural history.

We do not promote invasives or potentially invasive species at Wildlife Gardeners. We believe the original teachings of permaculture are sound. The original teachings of permaculture utilized locally native plants in their designs. Call us purists if you would like but many American permaculturists are utilizing what ever floats their boat in their designs and calling it permaculture. Our site probably won't be a good fit for those types of organizations.

We have an area for approved individuals and organizations. All you need to do is ask and the board takes a look at your site and tells you to go ahead and start a thread in the appropriate area of their Green Products and Service Providers area. I doubt seriously a European permaculture site would be disallowed particularly one that subscribes to the Food Ethics that are stated at the site you provided links to. That being said, you and Sepp Holster, are both welcome here but if you want to promote his visit to the United States you have to do it in the proper area of the site. Let us know if this interests you and we will direct you to where you may shamelessly promote his visit to the US free of charge.

I hope this helps you understand the position Wildlife Gardeners chose to take. We allow people to advertise, we just choose who is allowed to advertise and who isn't. We want to remain focused and all decisions made are consistent with our Mission Statement.

You are not banned. Your thread was moved to another area of the site until this could be sorted out.

Cheers,
David

so, short story: i probably wont' post there again. if he doesn't want someone like myself (an admitted publicity whore aka 'mover & shaker'  'networking hub' or sometimes even 'leader' )using his space to post appropriate topics, than his forum can decompose itself away into uselessness. good luck

gee. sound to me like the permie dictatorship. I much prefer it here.

"The original teachings of permaculture utilized locally native plants in their designs. Call us purists if you would like but many American permaculturists are utilizing what ever floats their boat in their designs and calling it permaculture"

..........uhm.............. how does that jive with

"the best science will prevail"

good scientific conclusions are always contingent on new evidence and ideas. their totalitarian persona is an insult to science.

those are the type of people and organizations that bug me. they aren't interested in a free exchange of ideas between people with the same endgoal.  in fact they don't have the same endgoal as I. is the end goal "permaculture" by some predefined definition? to them. yes. the end goal is to fulfill someone elses ideas of right and wrong. its a religion.  the end goal should be a healthy sustainable world and permaculture can help make that happen. religion is the perfect description. living in the buckle of the bible belt I have had my fair share of exposure to religious fruit cakes and can pick one out pretty fast. if your thoughts don't adhere to the "bible" as they interpret it then you are chastised. in this case it is their notion of permaculture not the bible. needless to say I am not the religious type and wouldn't not be interested in being considered a member of their little sect either.

they peeve me

I think the big thing is that they don't know who Sepp is. 

Plus, they don't have an events forum.

I do think there is a delicate balance between advertising and sharing.  If you have 30 posts at a site and then you say "I found this cool thing ...." - that's good.  But if your only post is about directing folks somewhere else - well, it does come off as a shameless advertisement.

When I go to a forum with the mission to push some info there, I try to answer some questions first and then post my thang. 

It sounds like this guy just has a different way of going about his stuff.  He has lots of rules.  And if you upset him, he explains himself in great detail over email. 

I just have the "be nice" thing and if there is something I don't like, I just delete it and forget about it. 

I remember I came to this site because of asking on gardenweb's permaculture forum if there was a better permaculture forum.  I recall someone mentioned that wildlife forum and I was going to join at some point, but I don't know if I would have any value to them over there.  I already have gardenweb people hating on me because they think my family's farm should be restored to pre-white man times.  From seeing this letter of wildlifegardeners admin, it looks like I can concentrate my energy here and talk about some of my evil plants. 

That's a really good point. 

A lot of communities have a lot of different schools of thought. 

I know that I get frustrated in other forums when I want to talk about polycultures and there are some discussions that make no progress because a few dozen people have to tell me I'm insane, it'll never work, the world is going to starve to death because of fools like me, etc.  At least here, I can talk about polycultures and people have already moved past that. 

I have to agree with one thing that was mentioned by that other site:  there are lots of farms that say "we do permaculture!" and I don't really buy into it.  They then proceed to "teach" permaculture, but along the way have long term plans for weekly irrigation, annual fertilization, annual planting in rows, etc. 

well that sucks you took away my emo treehugger pic already.  Now, I'll have to change it to a different  'wacky pic' as you call it, to satisfy our audience, so that they aren't complaining to admin about such things. 

I like the new pic!

haha, good