And my place by google map is just black.... in shade!
So many curves that I cannot draw any plan! And I would like to!
Even measuring is more than an adventure...
Craig, is it done online or is it necessary to download the program?
(I have little room left!)
Craig Dobbelyu wrote:you can try using googles SketchUp. I had pretty good results using it to make contour lines for my property map. It's really easy to import a google Map into SketchUp and manipulate it. You can add buildings and all kinds of other objects. There is a learning curve but there are also a few videos on youtube that can get you started. Good Luck
this sounds easy will give it a try.
I too am artistically chalenged, so will try it and let you know how I go.
Rose Pinder wrote:Allow some time to get to know sketchup. It's not a programme that you can just pick up and use. There are lots of good tutorials online though, and help forums.
Yes thank you have downloaded and have been having a play, looks like I will sit on this PC playing so have to be strong and get outside while the weather is good and do some outside stuff.
hard to leave sketchup alone though, can see it will be a great tool for mapping and designing things with.
Even experienced designers still use trace paper in the design process (the very thin one 20 grams/m² is good it comes in fat rolls).
If you still don't like drawing, simply write your ideas down.
If you find it easier you might build a model, but you should have a contour plan for that. You can use corrugated cardboard for this.
A design process is not about drawing a nice plan. You could not draw a plan at all and go out and mark the areas out directly with strings, stones, pieces of wood, whatever you find. The design process is about pondering ideas and collecting information and finally tying information and ideas together and make decisions. You can draw a plan but you must not. A plan is merely an instrument for communicating your ideas and you can as well measure out easily and calculate the amount of space needed for everything.
There is a place with my saint, Nicolas, but this is not the island where I live, as you pictured Gran Canaria
I look for bing then, and weather, and compare, I agree it varies from place to place.
weather uses bing's map.
It is not very clear but less shady and I could draw a first sketch...
The next level up for professional level, to-scale, contractor quality which can also be turned into 3D is AutoCAD or SketchUp (FREE and good - landscape designer friends use it at large corporate offices). I'm looking into learning Sketchup to help bring Permaculture into more professional environments.
Dont get me wrong, i LOVE using sketchbooks, tissue overlays and scribbling to allow organic ideation (agree with Paul & Paula), and i usually start with that for a while, BUT once basic layout elements are decided you can digitize these plus fixed elements (house, roads, neighbors, fences, contours, large trees etc) for a great basemap to experiment with. The advantage of digital vs handdrawn is that one can Copy/Paste or move things around very quickly without re-drawing the whole thing, just SAVE AS. and you can enlarge for detailed design, powerpoint, share/email, posting on forums, etc.... You can also print and then continue sketching on the printouts.
i'm attaching a recent sample - one page of a multi-page pdf presentation. mind you the plan is not yet finished (it never is) but it was to show our progress so, y'know please dont throw too many stones (i am open to constructive criticisms though)... i will post "finished" version pretty soon
For a finished plan for presentations or a sales pitch I use Sketch-Up, it impresses people who have never seen it before and have no idea that it is free off the internet.
Sketch-up is a time sink though, I had an idea for a circular raised bed, it took me a few goes on paper and pencil to discover bits that needed changing and design features etc. but when it came to transfering into sketch-up finished piece, it has been weeks, I have learned a lot about the program, (how to join circular pipes at right angles) but I still cant find out how to make a shape a solid mass instead of an empty box and frankly it won't effect the finished work anyway but I neeeeeed to know.
The other comment I would make is 2D vs 3D. Paper works great for noodling around. However, to truly see what is going on in a site which has significant height variables (contours, trees, buildings, etc) it really helps a "client" to see what is going on, even if that "client" is also the user. SketchUp is free, the cost of SketchUp is the time you take to learn, but I would submit that is no costlier than training someone with moderate artistic ability to make presentation-quality graphics. Again, depends on the situation as to whether it is useful or not.
My wife is an Interior Designer,and is constantly amazed at how challenged some of her customers are in visualizing how her designs translate into a given space. The ability to have views in 3D, and "fly" around the space on the laptop screen is a HUGE sales tool for her as it allows the client to see a "real" world.
If anyone feels disposed to learn how to do site design using SketchUp by working with a book, I can recommed "SketchUp for Site Design" by Daniel Tal.
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