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David Livingston
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Quick question
Since these things operate at quite High tempretures , how long do they last?
If I build one I want it to last not have to rip up the House in a year of two
Your thoughts folks

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allen lumley
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David L. Basically our rocket mass heater is made from locally sourced materials, and was originally designed to be cheap! Personally,
I do not consider this to be a flaw !

Here is a generally complete list for an 8'' model-

Bricks,can be used 60-90, 1/2 could be soft fire brick
Clay or clay soil
Sand - builders sand preferred
Straw - many substitutions allowed
15-18 gal grease barrel -outside shell of feed tube
30 -55 gal barrel - heat exchanger
8'' diameter stove pipe/ductwork
Insulation: vermiculite,perlite or pumice
a 4 cu.ft bag is enough
Insulation retaining container tin shell or body of a
used hot water heater !
scrapes of hardware cloth and- Rocks and bricks
old broke up pieces of concrete

The clay, sand, and straw will be used to make cob which is found in multiple story Buildings 100s of years old ! -You can thick of this
material as being virtually the same as adobe think of the Spanish Missions in the American SoWest some dating from the 1600s

The rocket mass heater does burn at high temperatures and creates a zone where the eggheads start talking about fire as a plasma,
virtually a 4th state of matter In a well balanced rocket mass heater this 'plasma field' or 'perfect flame edge' occurs just before the hot
exhaust gases reach the 55 gallon barrel in a near Oxygen deficient state, because of this there can be no Oxidation or rusting on the
inside of the barrel !

There are 20 year old rocket mass heaters that have been in continuous use during their seasonal heating cycle that still have their
original barrel -Find me a conventional fossil fuel fired furnace with a warrantee on its heat exchanger longer then 20 yrs !

The stove pipe that snakes its way through the heat energy storing Thermal Mass is considered a sacrificial form to make gas passage
-ways a failure of this pipe will be totally backed-up by the dense cob mass that will only let heat energy travel through it not liquids or
gas !

If you are looking for more, in the way of "true facts,'' let me direct you to rocket stoves.com Where you can pick up a PDF Copy of
Evans' and Jackson's great book 'rocket mass heaters' $15.oo U.S.! There is no other source of rocket stove-types information
in any other book in any language ! ( and I don't make a dime !) For the Good of the Craft ! PYRO Logical Big AL ! - As always, your
questions and comments are solicited and are Welcome ! A. L.
 
David Livingston
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Thanks for that Al
mmm I dont think its beyond my limited skills to make one .
However I live in france , in france they have building codes and codes about building codes . You may think you have paperwork in the USA but you have seen nothing believe me plus they are in french as well
Do you know of any such fires in France ?


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David L. I believe in never living in a house I can't pee off of my own back porch, or in a Town with a Traffic light, Sorry, I cant help you there !

You could scroll down thru the forums, there is one for all of Europe, but if you announce your location you may find that a near neighbor has
built one and is living with it. I believe there is a workshop about to start in Portugal in a couple of days ! For the Craft Big AL !

Course is end of july, Terra Alta, Sintra Portugal contact Eva Wimmer ! PYRO AL !
 
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