planting raspberries and blueberrues near apple and pear trees

can anyone give me advice on positioning two blueberriy bushes and two raspberry bushes near some apple and pear trees? i know they are the third layer and the fruit trees are the first and second layers but not sure how close they should be etc? thanks

i would put the raspberries away a bit as a hedge where you can mow between them as they'll take over your tree..mine are along a fenceline near my apples, but I can mow between them...as for the blueberries..they require totally different soil types..blueberries need very acidic soil..so I would separate them by at least 10 or 15 feet from anything that requires mnore alkaline soil..so if you put alkaline dressings on your trees it won't kill your blueberries..my south fenceline of my enclosed garden area has the blueberries and strawberries and a cranberry bush..so they can get the proper treatment..all together..there is yarrow and comfrey that grow quite well in this area and some horseradish at the end of the row..and a baby chestnut tree in two areas along the raspberry row and at the corner between the two.

Brenda Groth wrote:i would put the raspberries away a bit as a hedge where you can mow between them as they'll take over your tree..mine are along a fenceline near my apples, but I can mow between them...as for the blueberries..they require totally different soil types..blueberries need very acidic soil..so I would separate them by at least 10 or 15 feet from anything that requires mnore alkaline soil..so if you put alkaline dressings on your trees it won't kill your blueberries..my south fenceline of my enclosed garden area has the blueberries and strawberries and a cranberry bush..so they can get the proper treatment..all together..there is yarrow and comfrey that grow quite well in this area and some horseradish at the end of the row..and a baby chestnut tree in two areas along the raspberry row and at the corner between the two.

Thanks a lot Brenda!

If your apple/pear trees have a mature height/diameter of around 15ft. Then the branches will "only" grow out you at 7.5ft from the trunk.
So at 7.5ft you are ok to plant if the apple/pear tree get full sun then you can plant other fruit trees 5 or 4 feet away. Something like strawberry or arctic raspberry(mature height of 6inch aka half foot) or onion/ramp can be planted even closer, because they still produce in shade. When it comes to the blueberries. if you stick a bare root into the ground it will likely produce very little. you are going to have to import some soil with a pH of 5 and then plant the blueberry in that huge 3ft wide and deep imported soil (in ground or potted or raised bed)