Jessica Gorton wrote:I have to agree with Peter - land values and property taxes are going to be outrageous anywhere you go in Jersey, and probably within a couple of hours of L.A. as well (I'm from NJ, so I can't really speak to Cali with any authority). You will also be moving to an area that is almost completely covered in suburban sprawl.
Can I ask why you are focused on those two cities? Is there a job there for you, or is there another reason? No offense to my old home state or Hollywood, but those are two of the last places that I would think of to move to to do permaculture. If you are looking for big markets for crops, there are plenty of other cities in the country that would suit. If you really need to live near one of those two, and still want to be involved in permaculture, I would suggest renting a house or apartment in an area with good public transit, and then getting involved in local lots-to-garden movements or the like. That's what I would do - commit to the urban environment, and make a commitment to the local foodways and sustainable greening of the city itself.
And do check out New York State, but I'm pretty sure that values there are high too, unless you go pretty far north or west.
Su Ba wrote:I use to live in NJ for most of my life. At least up until 12 years ago, the only cheap land was bog, marsh, unusable Pinelands, or under water. When I left NJ the lowest general price for undeveloped land was $8000/acre. And that wasn't close to NYC. The closer you get to NYC, the more the land will cost.
Perhaps you may wish to consider leasing land for a few years especially since you're not established in the area. One never knows if their employment plans will work out, so why be tied to real estate you'd only have to try to resell? Another benefit of leasing or renting land, you'll be living in the area and thus be able to search around for the right property to sell. Land bargains get snatched up quickly, so you have to be on the spot to see them and snatch. Long distance buyers almost never get the opportunity on land bargains.
Su Ba wrote:I have no idea. I'm only familiar with farmland in South Jersey. North Jersey is a whole different story. Maybe contact several real estate agents and find out who handles land rentals. Not every agent works with rentals and farmland leases. You might also place ads occasionally in the Asbury Press. Or perhaps contact the New Jersey Farm Bureau to get suggestions on where to advertise that you are looking to rent a small piece of farmland. Craigslist might be another option to put out some feelers. Or maybe join wwoofers so that you can access the private area and talk with owners of small farms in your target area. Farms sometimes will rent out a section or know of someone who wants to. Finding land rentals may be difficult doing it long distance. When you're local, it's simply a case of going to the local feedmills and farm supply stores and putting the word out. When I belonged to my local farm associations, deals land rentals were often talked up at the meetings.
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