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Isabelle Gendron
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I have been in and out paleo from over a year now. I just love this style of eating since I am a carnivore (first) and wasn't eating enough veggies (who eats enough anyway). I started on paleo after testing several other way of eating. First of all because I had digestives problems called dyspepsie....always stomach hurting, having burnings in the back, sore troat always going ¨hu-hu¨ because a lot of mucus in the troat. My pain stomac was really getting me nuts. After going for a gastroscopy and everything was fine, I had to find a solution. I litteraly ate legumes. Except for a couple of recipies, I am not a big fan of this and not much more about tofu . So I was really miserable. But it didn't seems to solve my problems anyway. Then I started yoga. it helped a bit. I knew I was that kind of anxious personns so of course, yoga helped, but it wasn't enough. there was something wrong with me but what? Then I stumbled on paleo...At first, it wasn't really difficult. I was really happy cause I could eat meat so good bye tofu. I just had to add more veggies. 3 weeks after I started that, I woke up one morning, and....no more pain...nothing, no mucus in the troat, no burning in my back, no pain around the stomac...no not a miracle, but seriously, it was like one. My husband could't beleive I looked that could and for once in several years, didn't lokke anxious or preoccupied. Of course, living with pain all the time, for somebody a bit hypochondriac and you have somebody always lost in her thinking...

Here is my problem.

I have a family of 4 kiddo and a husband. Sometimes, they were eating paleo when it was a meal that everybody liked (ex: salmon in oven, with grilled veggies and salad)...BUT they needed their bread, their dessert. I am not a salty tpe of girl, but I bake my own bread, do my yogurt etc. I have a lot of difficulties to cut bread wich I know it is probably the biggest stomac problem. Also, difficult to always think 2 plates every night or almost....

I am following ¨the big red kitchen¨but there is something I am missing....

And sometimes, I have these huges sugar craving....

Now, it is 2 months I am eating ¨normally¨and I hate it. I feel so much better on paleo.

Any trick anybody?

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Where is the problem? If paleo works for you, then make your diet paleo. That there is other stuff around the house (bread, dairy, etc.,) for the others in the family to browse on, can't you just leave it and not join in? If different members of the family like different things, then you have to make meal time a big buffet instead of everybody eats one thing out of a communal pot.
 
Isabelle Gendron
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Good evening John.

I know it seems strange. the problem I think is to have to do several meals at a time and doing my bread and not eating it is kind of a torture...

But I like the idea of a potluck style...

I think I will have to work on my will...

Thanks a lot

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I've been paleo for about 18 months now. The more closely I stick to it the better I feel. BUT... sometimes I get cravings in an insane way. I noticed this is often the case when I've got a sinus cold or something similar. I just NEED sweet stuff. It takes a about a week to get the sugar fix out of my system and then my diet goes back to plaeo. I have the fortunate situation of my whole house being paleo so aside from the little bit of dairy and the occasional gluten free dessert, it's pretty easy to stick to the paleo diet. My best suggestion is to slowly ween the family off the carbs too. If you have a few meals that they all like to eat, then work with that. If you can get them to see the difference in how they feel after not eating the glue, then it might be easier to get them to try other paleo meals. Just cook the paleo things they like more frequently.

There are some great recipes and shopping lists that you can download all over the net. Just google it and experiment.

What are the paleo things that your family likes? Perhaps we can come up with alterations and modifications to expand on those themes.
 
Isabelle Gendron
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Hi Craig,

Actually, I cannot say that my girls don't want to eat pale. Actually, Since are eating habit were really diversify, they are use to eat all kind of different meal from different countries and different style. But they want to eat bread and they like rice and my husband is kind of an old fashion type of guy. he needs bread, and pasta etc...but he doesn't like eating meat all the time. he likes legumes lot. So I have to cope with this. But again, the potuck kind of meal can solve a bit. For the rest, I will have to prepare in advance so if I have to cook something with pasta, at least I will have something for me in the fridge.

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Isabelle,
Congratulations on taking charge of your health and experimenting to find what would work for you!! I also feel MUCH better on a mostly-paleo diet, and so does my family, but it took us some time to all get to this place.
Are you familiar with the Weston A. Price Foundation? (They have a great website, http://www.westonaprice.org, if you want to check them out for yourself). They have Paleo-ish foundations (though they were around long before "paleo" became "cool."), emphasizing healthy fats and fat-soluble vitamins. But they are very family-focused, and they give instructions for soaking/sprouting/souring grains and legumes to make them more digestible. Since my family also loves bread, rice, and desserts, we've been able to sort of compromise by choosing soaked, sprouted, or extra-nutritious versions of these foods so nobody has to give them up, but we are still nourishing our bodies.
For example, I don't want my kids to be the only ones in town who don't get to eat sandwiches, but instead of Wonderbread, we only eat real sourdough bread. Instead of normal dairy from the grocery store, we only drink raw milk, and we choose fermented/cultured dairy products (like aged cheeses or yogurt), which are much more digestible. We sprout and cook legumes at home instead of buying them canned. And we choose desserts that are made with less sugar or honey, little white flour, and plenty of healthy fats.
We used to eat a "normal" diet, but we have gradually changed a few things at a time so that now it seems totally normal for us to eat the way we do. If we are out with friends, we realize how differently we are eating now from most people, but at home, the kids think nothing of having yogurt and sardines for breakfast. It just had to happen gradually.
Also, especially with growing kids, having plenty of healthy carbs around can be very helpful - like instead of offering the kids animal crackers and pretzels for a snack, offer them sweet potatoes or home made fries or something. Many Paleo experts even allow white rice occasionally. We even occasionally enjoy rice pasta when we're really missing pasta!
Best of luck to you! I know how difficult it is to try to prepare two separate sets of meals for your family...I hope you'll be able to find some healthy compromises that work for the kids and husband to make life easier for you!
 
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BUT... sometimes I get cravings in an insane way. I noticed this is often the case when I've got a sinus cold or something similar. I just NEED sweet stuff.


Craig, I've noticed that too, and I wonder if it might be the body's way of asking for more Vitamin C? Or more carbs in general? Have you ever tried satisfying your cravings with fruit or safe starches? Just curious, because the times I am most strict about sugars/starches are when I'm sick, and I tend to miraculously recover from everything within about 12 hours since going Paleo while my non-Paleo husband is sick for days... It just seems a pity to feed a cold with sugar when you've worked so hard to eliminate it from your diet, you know?
 
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Isabelle Gendron wrote:...But they want to eat bread and they like rice and my husband is kind of an old fashion type of guy. he needs bread, and pasta etc...but he doesn't like eating meat all the time. he likes legumes lot.


My husband is like that except about the legumes. He really needs meat at every meal - and eggs & bacon don't count, apparently.

I make this work occasionally by making the main dish (let's say steak), we can all have salad, and then they can have regular potatoes & I can have sweet potatoes. Or if its rice, brown rice. I've put quinoa in my meatloaf though hubby doesn't like it. So I tried it with nuts and he liked that better.

I did stop baking bread though.

For dessert, frozen berries with some cream.
 
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One of my favorite desserts goes like this:

Whip a couple of cups of heavy cream to a point where it's thick but doesn't have too much air in it. It should just barely move if you tip the bowl on it's side. If you can tip it upside down and it won't come out, you've gone too far.

Then fold in some crushed berries and a little vanilla if you have it.

Cover the bowl and chuck it in the freezer for an hour or so. At this point it's just like a semi-frozen mousse. Airy but really rich. If you leave it to freeze completely, it's more like a dense gelatto (sp?).

If you whip too much air into the cream it freezes too hard and it's difficult to deal with. Still tastes fine though.

Also if you add a little cocoa powder... mmmmmmmmmmm


If you have people who need it sweeter, use honey.

I've hogged out many times during berry season doing this.

 
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Craig Dobbelyu wrote:
It should just barely move if you tip the bowl on it's side. If you can tip it upside down and it won't come out, you've gone too far.


Those are New Englander directions, alright!

I haven't done it quite that way but I think I will next time.
 
Isabelle Gendron
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Thanks for the tips.

Nice dessert Craig. I will try that tonight. Berries seasons is starting here with the little fields strawberries.
CJ, well I guess it is the only way to go when you have a hubby that needs HIS meal :p


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Hi, wouldn't the cravings you are experiencing be from not enough fat in the diet? I've been reading a good deal about low carb diets and doing Atkins for about a month. I am eating way more fat than my former fat-phobic self would have ever allowed, and still losing weight. One of the best things I have noticed is that my cravings for sweets and bread, which I have always been addicted to, are gone. If my understanding is correct, Paleo focuses on lean meats and no dairy, so not a lot of fat. Also, I was just reading an article on what Inuits eat, and one of the things it said is that what prevents scurvy is fat on the meat (which is what was missing from the Explorer's diets who got scurvy), and that many of our ancestors used to throw meat away that did not have enough fat on it because they knew the fat was so precious for their health. I know a lot of people have a hard time wrapping their minds around eating all that fat, as I did, but after all I've read and my own personal experience, not to mention all the new studies proving it is so essential, I am now a true believer.
 
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Katya Coad wrote:If my understanding is correct, Paleo focuses on lean meats and no dairy, so not a lot of fat.


I think that was Paleo 1.0.

2.0 gives a thumbs up to all the good fats, including animal fats. Even Robb Wolf blog talks about animals fats but I think his book talks about lean meat so he should probably put out a revised version of his book.

Gary Taubes, Peter Attia, and Mark Sisson are in the pro animal fat group, for sure.
 
Isabelle Gendron
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Well I always took paleo as a basic type of meal with no or few changes. I taught that the main thing about meat was that it has to be free range or wild so that they can eat all kind of natural thing and not raise in battery. For example, today, battery pork is a lean meat. But if you raise old variety like berkshire, their meat is more fatty...and a lot of taste. A long as they are raise naturally.

Maybe you are right. But I have to be carefull. I have a tendency to eat more meat and less veggies....I love meat. I have to reverse the machine.

My biggest challenge is not during the day, but in the morning for breakfast. When I wake up, I am hungry and I want my toast and nut butter....got to work on that. it is easy when I have left overs to reheat, otherwise...ouch!!! problem problem.

Isabelle
 
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Thanks for the clarification, Cj... the more I read, the more blown away I am at how wrong everyone could have gotten it around the whole fat thing over the last 50 or so years. Any time you start dissecting what nature already created perfect, and removing its' bits and pieces (like the yolks from the eggs!), I think you really gotta question it. I like Paleo in that it focusses so clearly on the obvious... i.e.. eating what nature has provided us for thousands of years.
 
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Isabelle Gendron wrote:
My biggest challenge is not during the day, but in the morning for breakfast.


Funny, that's my easiest meal. Eggs with cheese and/or bacon is a no brainer, especially since I'm just feeding myself. I can only do this with my own eggs though. Eggs ordered in a restaurant are wayyyyy to heavy. I can see why they got a bad rep, esp after WWII when agriculture changed for the worse.
 
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the sugar cravings should subside once you've stayed with it for awhile. what i find really helps if i get a sugar craving at night, is a spoonful of (natural) peanut butter. it'll raise your blood glucose a bit to satisfy the craving, but you don't have to stray from the diet. just be careful to stick to one spoonful. peanutbutter can be addicting!! lol.
 
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Thanks Hal
 
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I'm sure a little peanut butter is fine but you might want to read up on why peanuts are not paleo compliant:
How Bad is Peanut Butter, Really?
 
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