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honey locust and its thorns

 
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When do honey locust seedlings ( Gleditsia ) form there thorns? Seed comes from a uniform thornless stand.
 
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Early early. By the time I notice a new seedling in my woods (less than 2 feet high, many of these popped up in just a few weeks this spring) they already have visible thorns. I have even seen people who claim that the first thing out of the ground is a thorn, although I have not witnessed that myself and suspect it of being hyperbole.
 
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Dan Boone wrote:Early early. By the time I notice a new seedling in my woods (less than 2 feet high, many of these popped up in just a few weeks this spring) they already have visible thorns. I have even seen people who claim that the first thing out of the ground is a thorn, although I have not witnessed that myself and suspect it of being hyperbole.



Not hyperbole, but not universally true, either.



 
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Thanks for the reply's. The seedlings are 7 inches and thorn less so I can be sure they stay whit out thorns?
 
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Years ago I grew some in Georgia from purchased seed of "thornless" origin. Most of the seedlings came up thornless, but I did notice that, out of 15 or 20 trees planted out, maybe 2 or 3 developed thorns later.....say two or three years after planting when they were head-high.
Just for fun, these are some SERIOUS thorns! One time I broke off several long ones....a couple of inches, and drove them up to their shanks into a pine 2x4 like nails!
 
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Alder, at what age and/or height did they start producing pods?
 
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Pods took a long time. I had left that site before I saw any, but visited from time to time for quite a few years afterwards, and remember starting to see pods about the time the trees were a bit over my head. Five to seven years would be my guess.....Some started a year or two before the others.
 
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