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'tree of heaven' for hugels, possible pro?

 
kadence blevins
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so the farm here has a slight infestation of these stupid things known as tree of heaven. they colonize and aren't useful for anything since me and my sisters stopped building forts and there was tons of these small enough for three to eight girls with a saw and a hatchet to handle. anyways...

so these trees I am reading are not good for hugels.. I ask myself why? they are a nuisance and they literally stink. seems like the optimal thing when tearin em out is to roughly chop and bury em into hugels! off I go to find out why these are on the no-no list... turns out they have another reason for me to hate em. allelopathic. they have a natural plant killer in them. but then with a little more reading I also see that they break down quickly. hmm...

as well as having a crapload of these trees I have a crapload (pun intended) of manure. an old goat barn that is half torn down. area of about 10ft by 15ft and its gotta be at least 2ft down to the original ground level. stuff has been sitting there for around 6yrs at least. and of course it grows tons of weeds I don't want to grow, like burdock and horse nettle and pokeberry...

so what if I make big ol' hugels with these trees and cover em with the manure/compost? if anything the first year I would most likely just plant it with variety of things for cut and come again to feed the rabbits and all. so having the plant killer trees decaying underneath and helping keep all the weeds and things from growing. it seems pretty good deal to me!

what do yall think?
anyone have experience with these trees?

thanks!
 
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Hey kadence, i have some experience as my old garden used to be right next to a huge tree of heaven. Also root suckers used to come up in half my chicken paddock. I think you have a fine idea Making the hugels, although i would warn against using the trees before they have completely died. Once i chopped one down and laid it in a pile somewhere. I was pretty surprised how this branch grew fresh leaves and branches for so long before calling it quits, i do not remember the exact time line but i remember thinking how the plant used all the energy left in the branches even after it was severed. Would definately not want it to produce roots down in the hugel.

I don't know if the alleopathic aspect of this plant has been overstated or if my trees were just not potent, but i grew many plants under and nearby without noticing the alleopathicness.
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kadence, make sure your hugels are Very Wide and at least waist high, because rodents will love you for giving them soft dirt about big logs that they can tunnel under and around. sepp holzer's hugels are made with a bulldozer and are about as tall as a person, probably twice that wide at the base.

Is there any other tree you can mix in with the tree of heaven to sort of tone down whatever allopathic affect there might be?
 
kadence blevins
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ya the idiot family has people doing logging on the farm ): sadly. and they leave craploads of tree tops and piles of bark etc. me and dad cant talk em into how much these assholes are tearing things to shit while they do a crap job of logging. but anyhow... yes there's gonna be other kinds of wood in em.
 
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