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Improved Hickory Seed?

 
John Walsh
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I'm looking for Shagbark seed from trees like Porter, Grainger, Raudabaugh, Wilmouth. Also Shellbarks like Kreider, Keystone, or the hybrid Mitch Russell. There are a few places where scion wood is available for these guys but I'm having trouble sourcing seed.
 
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Are you trying to grow these particular varieties or are you trying to access the favorable genetics to develop a new variety yourself?

Every tree bearing that variety name is a clone of the original tree that exhibited the desired characteristics. Each seed would be a unique and new arrangement of the hickory genetics that may or may not result in the same characteristic you liked in the parent trees. Because it wasn't a clone, each tree grown from seed would actually be a brand new variety.

If what you want is the particular varieties, rooting scion wood would probably be your least expensive option.
 
John Walsh
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Anyone interested in this (and perhaps there are none here on permies...), I have located a source at the University of Nebraska, they have an amazing collection of hickory varieties. 30 cents a seed, not awful considering the seeds are inspected and stratified.
 
Ray Moses
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Grimo nursery in Ontario sells seeds from improved cultivars as well
 
John Walsh
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Oh do they sell seeds as well? I know he has seedlings from "improved" trees, but I didn't find seed for sale. I believe I e-mailed him but didn't get an answer, busy time of year. I sort of wanted to try some specific varieties too, some old cultivars are said to produce large nuts but not fill well in the North, or not produce heavily.
 
Ray Moses
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After I posted that I realized after reading seeds for sale that none were actually listed, however I did read that they do not post available seeds for sale until after September 15. I then think I read that seeds cannot be shipped to U.S. So it sounds like Nebraska might be your best bet. Sorry about the false lead. As a side note, I did order scion wood from Nebraska Nut Growers a couple years ago for Porter and Grainger, I know not seeds but a good source never the less. There are some places in Kentucky that do a lot of research on hickories that might have seed. Good luck and let us know what you find.
 
Olaf Stemann
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Ray Moses wrote:Grimo nursery in Ontario sells seeds from improved cultivars as well


They do not sell nuts this year, because of a tree months long lasting drought. That is, what Ernie Grimo told me, some days ago...
 
Olaf Stemann
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John Walsh wrote:I'm looking for Shagbark seed from trees like Porter, Grainger, Raudabaugh, Wilmouth. Also Shellbarks like Kreider, Keystone, or the hybrid Mitch Russell. There are a few places where scion wood is available for these guys but I'm having trouble sourcing seed.


I am looking for some scion wood of well-tried Hickory Cultivars, for a private garden project, to complete my huge collection of hardy nut bearing species (all diffent kind of nuts, pine nuts, chestnuts and others):

I am especially looking for:
Shagbark --> "Porter"
Shellbark --> "Kreider" & "Keystone"

Is there anyone, who can provide some twigs during the dormant phase, so that I can arrange the grafting after receiving the plant material?
But the shipping of the scion wood must go to Germany (shipping can be directly to me or over a friendly nursery in Wisconsin).

Maybe, there is someone abroad, who knows any contact where I can get the desired plant material...
 
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