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Jaco Kotze
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Hi Guys

I'm building a sustainable B&B here in Hogsback, South Africa.  For those who don't know Hogsback Please look at our Facebook page www.facebook.com/Hogsback.  We're in the Ciskei, Eastern Cape.  We have a afro montane climate, Pine Forestry.  1200m above sea level with about 1200mm of summer rainfall a year.  The locals killed out all the leopards that used to be native in this part of the world about 150 years ago.  Which means the symango monkey and baboon population (also native) have thrived and taken over a bit.  I was wondering if anyone has some ideas of 'putting them to their duties' like Sepp says?  My plan so far is to grow the predominance of our food in greenhouses and starting a decoy food wall (DFW I'm coining that one) for the monkeys and baboons on my fence (70m).

Would be cool to know if there are any ideas apart from a DFW where they can be made to work, like Sepp's pigs??

Monkeys and baboons have a fairly predictable eating routine.  They forage in the morning, chill in the afternoon, then forage again in the afternoon and then they do sundowners in the oak tree outside the house and then scatter off to bed. 

Their foraging habits are a bit more tricky.  They are master criminals and can hack any fence for potential weakness chop chop!

So DFW is all I got.  I know there are smarter Eagles than this chicken (me!) out there!

Please help

Jaco
 
David Livingston
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May be eagles are your answer ?
Large Birds of Prey would take small monkeys I am sure   May be  mocked up flying drone or even an eagle kept as a pet might scare off these critters .
  Or how about a tame medium cat - caracal or similar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_cat or this https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracal or Dogs maybe Rhodesian ridgeback is a bit local
Also an area between your food forest- a lawn or pond that would mean revealing themselves to cross into your food patch might make them weary .

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Jaco Kotze
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Ah Merci a vous!

Bit tricky creating open spaces around here.  My property is 5 acres and there are trees everywhere!  Which make moving around for them very easy.  There's a few eagles around but I haven't heard of any catching monkeys or baboons...  Would love to get a big cat too but unfortunately the other 350 local residents are quite a bit stiff about that sort of thing.  They haven't embraced the prema-ethos yet.  And I've only been here a few months so I haven't started the Permaculture Social Club Yet

Mais je le garde a la derierre de ma tete.

 
David Livingston
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It sounds a bit like trying to intergrate rabbits or wild boar.  The only way I know is with mushrooms and a red wine sauce .
When the animal in question eats exactly what you eat for me intergration is impossible . My tactics are to encourage predation or exclusion . Exclusion may not need to be total , having an area where they will be harrassed bothered and chased near to an area peaceful and calm and they can do there stuff works too.
 
Jaco Kotze
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Thanks David,

I'm a French trained chef from South Africa.  A cool idea is coming to mind, to make seed cakes for them, almost like One straw Revolution's seed bombs.  Filled with indigenous grassland seeds and fruit tree seeds.  At least they can help pollinate this place and grow their own food then.
 
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Just a thought Is there anyway you can makes these guys work for you ?  Make them an attraction to get folks to visit you ? The baboons in particular if they have regular habits . Cameras are quite cheap these days Set up around your site and your guests could watch them  as part of their stay . Turn a down side into a money making exersize .

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Jaco Kotze
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Yeah I like that!  I think I should combine the two ideas. They use particular branches as well which could get some nice close up shots with the right video gear! Thanks David
 
Maureen Atsali
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I laughed when I read this title.  If your monkeys are anything like our monkeys here in Kenya, they will "integrate" themselves just fine.  But you won't be very happy about it!  Our monkeys here are spectacular little thieves.  Apart from raiding the garden, they will pop in the house and steal the sugar or anything else you happen to leave out!  And while the tourists will undoubtedly love your primates... if you leave them unchecked, you won't get much food out of your food forest.  First comes one, then comes the whole troupe, and then other troupes will come and fight for the food.  Our solution is simple.  We have 3 dogs.  The dogs LOVE to chase the monkeys.  They've never actually caught one, but they think its the best game ever.  The monkeys HATE the dogs, and have all but disappeared.
 
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