Paul talks with Tim Barker about the upcoming Homesteader PDC (permaculture design course) that will be held at Wheaton Lab near Missoula, Montana from Sunday, May 28th through Saturday June 10th, 2017. Tim and Paul will be the main instructors. Thomas J. Elpel, Helen Atthowe, Ernie and Erica Wisner, and Jacqueline Freeman will be guest instructors for the PDC. They talk about how the focus will be on design and that it will be an iterative process starting on day three and evolving as new techniques strategies are taught. By the end, the design will be of professional quality where people could actually pay for it.