Looking for a particular reference of a Toby Hemenway quote for a research paper.

Hello Permies,

I am looking for a particular quote for a research paper by the dearly departed Toby Hemenway.  I recall him saying one of Paul's podcasts (years ago) that, "the way to solve an animal problem is with another animal."  For example, you have mice in the barn and you should get a cat to check that.  Kind of on par with Bill Mollison's quote, "You don't have a snail problem, but a duck deficiency."  

I am writing to ask help if anyone knows where Toby's quote would be in any of his publications?  I wanted to quote him and give him proper attribution, but I need a reference; printed work would be first choice, the podcast reference would also work.  

Can anyone hook a busy college student up?  

Thanks,

Donovan

I think it's from #50
https://archive.org/details/WheatonPermaculture050TobyHemenwayAnimalProblemsToSolutions

but you may have to listen to it to be sure.

Also I have half a memory that it was Holzer that I heard this from. Which doesn't probably help you in the slightest!
Anyway,  I had i quick dig in Gaia's garden and couldn't find anything.

That's all I have.
Rus

Thanks, Rus for the assist.  I will check out that podcast (it is always good to hear them again).

The world is not as awesome without Toby in it now.  

Donovan

Yup, sad that he went too soon.

What's your research paper? Can you drop a link to it here when it's done? I'm always interested in more science in permaculture.

Also thanks for the pie!

pretty sure that it is geoff lawton from his soils movie or possible his building a food forrest the permaculture way.