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Cold Maritime tree test results - Kilmun, Scotland

 
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Across the Firth of Clyde from Glasgow, near Dunoon, is Kilmun, where many trees were trialled in little plantations many decades ago, starting in the 1930s. See More Here
There's a report of which did well, with ratings from 1 to 3 of an enormous number of tree species from cold, wet, windy spots around the world:
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Some of the results surprised me.
It might guide cool maritime tree plantings, in Koppen climate code ET/Dfc/Cfc climates.
EDIT: that report isn't the one with the 1 to 3 ratings, sorry. I'm still searching...I think this is the one, but the server's down now:  http://www.rsfs.org/images/journal1947-2005/53/530407.pdf
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Kilmun, I was told back in college (1970) was a trial area that Briton kept fairly secret so as to not stir the ire of the Scots.
This is still an important place since it gives us access to loads of long term survival data, which will develop even more importance as we go deeper into the climate change era we are currently in.

Thank you for posting this info and the links.

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Here's an Icelandic forestry introduction video:  

Not much detail, but encouraging results in a cold, wet, windy clime.

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I didn't even know there were trees growing in Iceland!

I did manage to find the journal you were trying to link to, by going to the main page of the Royal Scottish Forestry Society, then press the 'Journal' tab, then use the search function - I searched for 'Kilmun', and then it's result nr. 37. I don't know why direct linking doesn't work.

I still have to read what the report says. Of course cold isn't so much a problem in Scotland, also not the wet as long as we're not talking peat bogs, because the first places in Scotland where trees will grow is alongside burns and allts, as they form gullies through the landscape which offer shelter from the wind. The wind is a problem, on high altitude and in outlying areas like the Western Isles or Orkney. The deer are of course a problem, but what for both problems - wind and deer - goes is that they only became a problem after a few thousand years of tree felling by humans; a tree seedling has become too exposed in most places to stand a decent chance of growing into a tree, and now people need are making efforts to try and bring back the forests.
Once forests are back, trees will grow fine in a place like Scotland. Britain's tallest trees grow in Scotland, and even fairly north in Scotland, near Inverness. You can't see them well, since they're surrounded by other trees. When you see the sign for the tallest tree, you just have to trust it is, because you can't see the top!
 
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J Grouwstra wrote:I didn't even know there were trees growing in Iceland!

I did manage to find the journal you were trying to link to, by going to the main page of the Royal Scottish Forestry Society, then press the 'Journal' tab, then use the search function - I searched for 'Kilmun', and then it's result nr. 37. I don't know why direct linking doesn't work.



From USA, I can't get the journal page at rsfs.org/journal to work here. There may be more than one entry on Kilmun; the 1999 Mason Cairn and Tracy article in issue 53, volume 4, reviews results in detail.
 
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I found the link to the Kilmun retrospective review: http://37.97.130.228/~adm0rsfs/images/journal1947-2005/53/530407.pdf
 
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I'm really excited about the just-linked review article,( the one I couldn't find before) because it has species-by-species ratings of survival and success of the plantings there in Kilmun.

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