Here in spain the villagers at least those in one village i know in Gredos hate trees they think they bring bad weather when in fact they
shelter us from bad weather from heat and cold. I read a bit of writing that says they reduce aircondicioning bills in summer in towns. I also read that a climber on your house reduces heating bills.
What bothers me about permaulture and upper storey trees in how much it will matter if they block out the sun. If you have a small farms there is room for a progresion from high trees to low ones and a space in the midldle for sunloving vegetables and gramineas like wheat but how is one to arrange things in a smaller space i suppose big trees can be planted north of the garden. One or two big trees south of it mean a shade that moves as the sun moves round the tree, so that plants in a climate with a fierce sun like Spain are not exposed to the sun all day.
H Ludi tyler has in part answered my question while i was writing this. How far apart do you plan to dot your trees.
I do know of a tradition for combining trees and grassland in the south of spain, in las Pedroches Cordova, famouse for its hams and i know of their
answer to making sure the evergreen oaks don't over shade the pastures, they cut a branch off their oak trees if they are shading the ground too much. In other bits of spain where oaks are combined with pasture and grain growth the number of oaks a hectare is much less and they don't do this.
How well do apples for example grow in the shade? The truth is the sun is so high in summer here that is seems hard to get shade. Who has
experience, like in california, of growing orchard trees in the shade. California is probably south of Madrid, things are so different in America from europe, the deserts seem to be west east in norht america not North South. Madrid is as far south as New York.
Geof Lawson planted more
nitrogen fixing trees than fruit baring ones in his greening the desert
project or moren nom¡en fruit baring ones, proposis cineraria, a nitrogen fixing tree gives forage and edible beans if i remember right. That is a lot of big trees if locust is your nitrogen fixing tree. rose macaskie.