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 Summary
 
 Credit: Eric Tolbert
 
 This podcast is an audio track extracted from an experimental YouTube
 live broadcast.
 
 
 
 Paul Wheaton and Shawn Klassen-Koop discuss working on the Better
 World Book that will be coming out as a Kickstarter after the first of
 the year. Paul has been posting drafts of some chapters of the book on
 various locations and forums in the permies.com site.
 
 Paul starts out by reading a paragraph from the book on recycling and
 then discusses the process with Shawn about how they decide what to
 keep, what to cut and how to hone the writing to make sure the focus
 stays on the points that they are trying to make.
 
 Paul discusses at some length who the target audience is for the book
 and why they are trying so hard to stay under 200 pages and keep the
 book from turning off people who have not yet been immersed in the
 Permaculture world.
 
 While reading the Recycling chapter Paul discusses how recycling is
 not the ultimate in conservation, how even recycling still has to have
 processes performed against the material to recycle it into something
 else.
 
 Paul then goes over in some depth the Reduce, Reuse, Repair and
 Recycle which the preferred order to reduce waste instead of just
 recycling. Order is important.
 
 Paul continues on to explain issues with municipal composting and
 persistent herbicides and why that can be a horrible thing if you use
 it on your garden and also how persistent herbicides get into the food
 stream as well. Paul's advice is if you are going to use 
compost, use
 compost you make yourself so you know what is in it. There is some
 discussion of the Humanure system as championed by Joseph C. Jenkins
 and a brief discussion of the some of the concerns with using human
 generated composting.
 
 General discussion of the Wheaton Eco Scale and answering some
 questions from the people who attended the live session with Paul and
 Shawn. Shawn explains why he got involved in the book project and Paul
 ends with some thoughts about how to improve the world in some small
 ways.
 
 
Relevant Threads
 
 Paul Patreon for Podcasts
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 PEP Forum
 Permaculture Playing Cards:
 
 Daily-ish Forum: Better World Book Recycling Chapter(must be a Permies member)
 
Humanure by Joseph C. Jenkins
 Paul Wheaton Eco Scale
 
 
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