paul wheaton wrote:
I wish Greta would give a shout out about some of the stuff we are working on. Maybe my book. Or maybe even just rocket mass heaters.
To make that happen she has to know about these things, and she may or may not. She's Swedish, right? Anyone have any permaculture contacts in Sweden?
If I recall correctly someone above mentioned the difference between a full room and 9 people and how do we fix that. We fix it slowly, because minds are changed one at a time, and that's the best way to make change that lasts. Or we look into doing permaculture PR. There are good reasons not to do the latter, very good reasons. We don't want to turn permaculture into a fad that people will pick up because it's trendy, only to see most of them get bored with it and drop it (like gluten-free diets for people who don't actually need or benefit from them). The issue is visibility. The media love people who look good on camera and tug on the heartstrings. But those people do not always stay in the public consciousness. With 24/7 coverage via the internet and other innovations, a "star" can fizzle out as quickly as they rose. There should be something between the constant inching forward and the flash in the pan that burns out. I'm sure there is, but it has to be thoroughly considered first because there probably is not a perfect solution, and the consequences must be thought out in advance.
Paul, Permies is amazing and fantastic. How long did it take from when you first started it to when you hit whatever you consider to be a major milestone in terms of membership levels and influence in the permaculture world? In other words when did this forum go from small potatoes to the big cheese? Sorry. Writing while hungry = food references.
As to the suspected socialist in the crowd, it's really very simple. She wanted to look at politics, which generally takes a top-down approach to change and depends on a handful of people (elected or otherwise) to do things right and not get greedy, whereas you were talking about REAL solutions that can be done by REAL people in a more bottom-up movement. In terms of creating lasting change without much destruction, bottom-up is the way to go. You were coming from such opposite directions that unless the other person was willing to look at things from another perspective (something that apparently is rare among humans), there probably wasn't going to be a meeting of the minds there.
We live in a culture/world where intolerance of other views is getting worse. That presents a very real challenge in communicating ideas effectively and not getting blunt objects thrown at our heads. But...if one of those 9 people who attended your talk went home and started doing research, and talking to others, that's good. The message will spread. The challenge is to find ways to spread it faster without losing the message itself. My brain is all fuzzy because there's a snowstorm coming and I have fibro, so I have no specific suggestions at the moment, but I think all of us at Permies are already on the right track because we've talked about this. The thread with ideas on what you can do with 12 BWB books, for example is excellent.
And if all of this seems overthought, or complete gibberish, I blame the fibro.