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 Summary
 
 Paul Wheaton and 
Jocelyn Campbell talk about how 
permies.com got started. Paul shares about his 
lawn care article and needing help managing his emails. He then talks about the difference between making nature "your personal bitch" and working with nature. Aligned with nature, you can do 100 times more. He tells how maybe 10,000 years ago, 
the Sahara used to be a lush jungle until folks chopped down trees to start agriculture. Paul sees permaculture as a direction rather than a specific something. He also wants to emphasize how to be good rather than pointing out what is bad. He and Jocelyn share about taking a 
permaculture design course (PDC). Paul talks about 
Sepp Holzer, and the PDC experience. He compares the typical garden to Sepp Holzer's approach. He does nothing but harvest, and gives an example of polyculture: there is an exchange of nutrients and water between a pea plant and a tap-rooted oak tree, especially with the help of undisturbed soil components such as mycelium. With tilling, you release 30% of the organic matter into the atmosphere. He mentions 
Helen Atthowe‘s knowledge of soil. The value of animals in the system, and ponds. 
Sepp doesn't feed his fish. He has entered into alignment with the ecosystem, and they always have food. Paul's not a huge fan of 
aquaponics because they are reliant on humans. Sepp Holzer lives in the Austrian Alps, and yet he grows citrus. Paul talks about farming on a mountainside as opposed to a valley. Paul and Jocelyn wrap up the podcast saying listeners can make podcast topic requests or ask questions 
podcast topic requests or ask questions, and help by participating in the 
tinkering forum and 
navigating Reddit. Lastly, they share about 
Masanobu Fukuoka and "do-nothing farming."
 
 
Resources
 
 The Rebel Farmer by Sepp Holzer
 Amazon.com
 Amazon.ca
 Green-shopping.co.uk
 
 Sepp Holzer's Permaculture
 Amazon.com
 Amazon.ca
 Green-shopping.co.uk
 
 Sepp Holzer's Permakultur DVD
 Amazon.com
 Green-shopping.co.uk
 
 Relevant Links
 
 Sepp Holzer's website
 
 Paul's article on Sepp Holzer
 
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