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Summary
Paul is talking with
Alan Booker about climate change
Paul finds much of the narrative around climate change is too political, and he hasn't any interest in that.
Alan tells a story of a man who's sick, and goes to the doctor. He has many symptoms including fever but the Doctor focuses on the fever; Alan feels this is a metaphor for the current fixation with
carbon footprint - the approach is too narrow. Focusing on just carbon is unbalanced because the carbon cycle is just one of many interlinked systems.
They agree that they both know a way to combat climate change: people must partner with the biosphere and work with it to solve the issues that mankind has created. However, we need to motivate
enough people.
Paul says he never gets to
answer the question "how can I affect climate change" because in a group of 12 people, 11 will immediately interrupt that no one person can do anything meaningful. He's convinced that this has become a mantra.
Alan says people are more likely to do things if they see how it can improve their lifestyle, and permaculture serves as an example which other people can see, thus having a wider effect.
Alan says that change is driven by people, not politicians or corporations: every intervention is driven from below, short of military coups. However, people need to have spare capacity to think about things before they will consider non-mainstream solutions.
Paul asks if 100 million people read "Building a better world in your backyard" whether it would solve climate change. Alan is non-committal as it would depend where the 100 million are located. You need about 12% of a population to adopt something to trigger mass spread. Alan thinks maybe 3% would do something substantial from the book and those 3% would incentivize others; however it takes time.
They conclude that ideally the message needs to go viral, but they're not sure how to achieve that.
Relevant Threads
Building a Better World in your Backyard by Paul Wheaton and Shawn Klassen-Koop
Cider Press forum - for discussions on climate change and
politics. Enter at your own risk.
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