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part 3 of a 3 part podcast

Paul and Peter continue discussing RMHs and heating.

Paul describes the cob hat fitted to the 4 inch RMH in the Love Shack.  The Shack lost significant temperature overnight; leading to the modification.  Adding the cob hat above the barrel harvested a lot more heat.  However, the 4 inch RMH has other issues which make it problematic in use.

They talk about the cook stove in Allerton Abbey.  Peter says this is the only double shoebox still remaining as he had issues with the design, but this one works although it has gone through several doors.  Peter says it's a very powerful core and so it's difficult to tame it.

Paul recalls the rocket mass heater jamborees, where they made good progress with designs but it always cost a lot to run.  Paul would like to run another jamboree; Peter remarks that he's almost 80 now and might not be able to get there.  Peter has an idea for a development of a J tube which could be tried out if there was a jamboree.

Ben Falk joins in with some questions.  He points out that with a suitable wood stove you can also do all your cooking and heat domestic hot water while heating your home.  Ben has been using a woodstove to heat his home and hot water and to cook, and typically uses about 2 cords of wood.  Peter says he's often seen people change from a conventional stove to a RMH and use one third of the fuel.  Paul states that one year he measured the wood used very carefully and consumed 0.6 cords, but it's worth noting that is only for heating, not hot water and cooking.

Peter's opinion is that the 10% of the fuel use is not all that common.  He says mostly 30% is a good target.  There are good discussions to have about cooking and water heating.

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So I listened to these ones and did some research about where it gets that cold, without windchill factoring in.  Turns out its a place called Oimikon in the east of Russian territory (spelling?).
 
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I think the core mental exercise here is:   if it gets down to 100 below, will your current system work?  

Contemplating this path helps with making decisions.  

Through most of the montana winter, i run a short fire every other day.  When it gets well below zero, I run a longer fire.  Maybe two shorter fires.  Overall, maybe six hours of burn each day.  But I am also trying to get the indoor temp above 70 for all day and night because i am worrying about the plumbing.  
 
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I would love to have a podcast about integrating, hot water, cooking, and heating people/Plumbing

Here is my hack that I figured out: my friend has a J-tube rocket mass heater, and this winter I have been cooking on top of the wood feed! Yes, that’s right, instead of putting a brick on top of the wood feed, I put a big old cast-iron skillet for greens or a pot with squash in it or a pot of buckwheat.

It takes a while to get warm enough, and I would not try and cook a pot of stew this way, for that I would take the extra thermal battery off the top of the main barrel.  But for every day use and reheating, you can use it just fine.

Why this works is that the coals radiate a certain amount of heat, even if the flames are being drawn, laterally and up the riser.  

This is one way of integrating cooking with a rocket mass heater, even if you’ve got some kind of Cob hat situation on top of your barrel, or a supplemental thermal battery (eg a feeding trough of water with a lid)

A downside of this is that sometimes vapor from the skillet is getting sucked into the fire, which probably decreases the efficiency of the burn somewhat. But if the pot is tall enough, then this does not seem to happen. And for sautéing there is less moisture involved then for cooking a pot of grain.

If other people experiment with this or have thoughts, I would be interested to hear them!

For hot water, I think Solar is still worth discussing, although I know there are reasons that it’s not so great in cold climate, and my super-professional, pricey, German-overengineering system is truly a pain in the butt
 
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