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um... long story.

The dietitian suggests I get more diet-based vitamin D.  To help me, I have been given a list of foods.  Most of which are fortified foods like Orange Juice and well a bunch of other highly processed foods I'm not a fan of.

But on the list is Skin milk, 1% milk and 2% milk along with margarine.  

There is no butter, no full-fat milk foods, and no cream-based foods

Is there something about full-fat milk and cream products that makes it not have vitamin D?  

Is there some sort of easy to understand table for dairy foods and vitamines?  I tried google but it was mean to me.  

This is sort of the opposite of what I remember from Sally Fallon's book.  But then again, we do test low for Vitamin D in our family so maybe I got it wrong?

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Start off by getting a much better "dietician". Someone not beholden to the chemical industry.

Then move on to some research on the benefits of whole, unpasteurized, unhomogenized, milk. Particularly A2A2 milk from Jersey cows.  

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I can always learn something from an expert, even if I don't agree with them on everything.  I think it's worth listening to this one.

The thing is, they have to give out the pre-set health authority diet information and it's on my end to figure out which of the advice is right for me and which is like the whole 1980s fat phobia hangover.

We have bloodwork to show what I'm doing now isn't working.  So I need to try something else.

Thus, we start here.


What I would really love is a simple list comparing the different nutritional information of different fat cows' milk.  That would be a great help.  

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Most 2%, 1%, and Nonfat are fortified. That is why the Vitamin D value is higher than some whole milk.

However, this rule is not always true! There are fortified whole milks and probably some less fortified of the initial three types.

You have to look at brands and compare the added Vitamin D.

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Nutrition Coordinating Center's database offers these figures. Not shown, a teaspoon of codliver oil contains 450 IU.
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vitamin D in various foods.
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I believe these are all fortified at a standard/ universal amount of fortification for each. My question is, why is the amount of D identical in the non-whole milks, and unqualified in the whole milk? It's obviously not about the fat content, or the amounts would graduate. So, if it were my choice to make, I'd probably go with the raw, whole milk I prefer, and look for it in my free-ranged chicken eggs, instead.
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Vitamin D is fat soluble, so by removing the fat from milk, the vitamin D also gets removed.

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I don't drink milk so if I needed to get more Vitamin D I would eat more fish, eggs, and lots of mushrooms.

Mushrooms contain more Vitamin D than milk.

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Unfortified milk doesn't have much vitamin D. You can eat more sea fish and mushrooms, get more sunshine, or bite the bullet and take supplements or eat fortified commercial foods.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/foods-rich-in-vitamin-d-8348470
 
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Here is a link to a good summary of the history of vitamin fortification of milk in U.S.

Guidelines for vitamin fortification of fluid milk

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Most people are vitamin D (and magnesium) deficient. I personally know one friend who claims that she has the right amount of vitamin D (or even above average) and she says it's because she eats more offal than meat. She's around 60 years old.
Liver for example, contains lots of vitamin D (and other nutrients).

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When people are mentioning foods that may contain Vit D, it's important to consider where that Vit D comes from.

For example, chickens:

In chickens and other birds, their preen gland which is located at the base of the tail, contains oil that the bird spreads over their feathers as they preen. That oil produces Vitamin D when exposed to sunlight. That Vitamin D is then absorbed into the body through the skin, much like humans.

https://www.fresheggsdaily.blog/2021/04/why-chickens-need-sunshine.html

Sooo... if it's the deep of winter in a cloudy area, your chickens may be short on Vit. D also. However, if they get lots of sunshine during the summer, it may hold them over.

I believe this is true of many animals - if the animal is kept in the barn all the time, their liver won't have as much Vit D in it as if they spend lots of time outside.

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While I applaud seeking food based sources of vitamin D, the levels your body needs  - especially for people in colder climates - are substantially higher than you can reasonably get from food in the winter.

Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for vitamin D was set decades ago, and was based on preventing the most obvious effects of deficiency (eg rickets). We have since learned that vitamin D is important in a whole host of other systems (immune, bone strength in old age, etc...) and that the optimal levels are much higher than the RDA.

If you have been advised to increase vitamin D than do consider using supplements as well as seeking nutritional sources. Especially in the darker months.

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It's hard to get enough Vit. D from foods alone. I take a supplement, 5000 IU per day and my last D reading was 85. This lab said under 100 was good. The "right" D level seems to be a controversial, depends on who/what you are reading. Years ago, I thought 2000/day  was enough, but my blood level was about 22 and I lived in Arizona at the time, definitely  was deficient.
 
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Hi R,
You have got a lot of great information here. I would like to point you to a website by an IT Security expert. He has on occasion taken an interest in various pieces of health, Vitamin D being one of those. He studies like crazy and puts it all in one place for you. Medical Studies, Books, Personal Experience. Etc. I think everyone should learn more about Vitamin D, but especially those who are low (which is a lot of people actually). Most of his stuff is IT security related, he has some podcasts where he talks about Vitamin D specifically.

https://www.grc.com/health/vitamin-d.htm

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