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I’m hoping to leave New York City within the next year and start a homestead in the country, preferably Vermont, Maine, western Massachusetts, but I’m open to possibilities. The most likely path is finding a new job in my career as an academic librarian which would allow me to buy a small home with land. Hopefully after a few years I might be able to support myself from the homestead and quit the outside job. Another option is to work for someone on an existing farm or homestead until I could afford to get established on my own. How does one get started homesteading with very little funds to invest in land? Open to any thoughts, ideas, resources from the community. Thanks 🙏🏼
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Hi Eric,

Welcome to Permies.  

I would do a great deal of reading and make sure I had a good grasp on my expectations.   Make sure that family members, if any, have input.   There will most likely be serious trade offs along the way.  In your case, I suspect the closer you are to a setting where you can obtain employment in an academic setting, the higher the prices will be.

Even if you find employment, how long it lasts is up to question. When I first started homesteading, I was lucky enough to find a job in my career path. I already owned the 10 acres out right. I also had built a cabin on it that was paid off. So, When I landed the job, I sold my house and moved.  My new job vanished before my first day at work. So, to answer your primary question, within reasonable bounds, it is difficult to have too much money when starting out.

My primary challenge when starting out was neighbors. …as in excessive alcohol and guns.   I ended up selling the place. Got back into mainstream employment. …then, I relaunched after having much more money and thoroughly vetting the neighbors and neighborhood. The second launch has gone far more smoothly.
 
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Hello Eric, I hope that your hopes come to fruition. I found a few threads that may be of use:
about finding land
things to know before you start
Personally, like John implies, I think getting to know the area really well before you commit to land, can make a real difference. Maybe if you find a job you like, in an area you like, you could help out your neighbours and get to know which aspects of 'hands on' bring you joy, and which are not for you. Alternatively WWOOFing or similar can help you experience during working holidays, which may be an alternative option. In my experience you never have as much time as you think you will have to work on your own projects, so prioritising may be in order.
 
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Eric, there are training programs with badges here on permies where the end goal is to earn property through exhibiting your skills and ability to learn.

Is it SKIP badges that give land?  I am not an expert in this, although I feel as though I could breed,e through a large portion of it.  

May I ask why you are choosing an area in the northeast?  Is it familiarity?  

If you wanted the cheapest route, you should find something in the south where you can live in a tent on the land.  You might have to drive with your car to get food and water, but perhaps you can find cheap land where some of that is available.  

The winter makes for uncomfortable.or expensive conditions.  It can be done, but you were asking what cheap ways there are to start. If you can buy a cheap RV, then you are on your way.  So too if you have a van or an SUV that you can live out of.  

The question is what are you willing to sacrifice to make your dreams come true.
 
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Thanks to everyone that responded to my post. At this point in my journey, I'm no longer pursuing homesteading in the northeast, and I'm currently planning to move to Iowa and homestead on the land where I grew up and where my parents currently live. This eliminates the need to buy land, gives my access to a few acres to pursue my dream, and will allow me to care for my parents as they age. No solution is perfect, but this is my best option for pursuing my dreams without taking on a lot of debt. I'm hoping to make this transition in the next few months.
 
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Wishing you the best of luck in the new endeavor!
 
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Dear hubby and I were in this same situation of moving to the country.

We found the land years ago and decided to get started with chicken,

Then came the garden, neither of use had gardened before.  Dear hubby bought a tractor and tilled up the back behind the house.  It was a big garden.

I used the technique I learned in elementary school to start the seeds. Using paper egg cartons, cotton balls, I planted the seeds and watered and they grew.  I transplanted them to that garden.

Purple hull peas, pinto beans, okra and tomatoes are what I remember,

we sold the homestead about 15 years later though we enjoyed raising cows, goats, chickens, rabbits and even had a pig.  Our daughter enjoyed having a pony and then a horse.

Once you find the land, have a house the rest just seems to follow.

 
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Hi Eric,

New York City, eh?  Had you considered the South?  A great deal of difference will be made in your choice of what state you pick.  

I am assuming you are considering doing this solo?

You mentioned western Massachusetts as one of your possible locations.  I have something in common with you in that I grew up in western Massachusetts and at age 26 I tried to homestead there, 40 miles from my parents' house.  Why it didn't work, had everything to do with the regulatory environment and the lack of practical information that was pervasive in those days.  Before the internet, if the public libraries didn't have it, or if you didn't know it was there, and someone in your circle didn't know it, it was almost certain you'd not run across the information any time soon.  I purchased 8 acres on a dirt road up in the Berkshires without much to start with, and after 9 months the local town muni-guys shut me down because I hadn't jumped through the right hoops.  I got out while I was ahead, and sold it off at a profit since I had at least had it "perc" tested.  Doing at least a FEW things right, as a clueless kid, paid off handsomely.  Lesson learned.  Open yourself up to the possibilities where people aren't breathing down your neck.  That was the end of my New England chapter.

Number one consideration is the regulatory environment.  A state where you can do what you want with your land without guys with official seals on the side doors of their trucks coming up your driveway messing with you.  The United States is great because it's a supra-national federation of independent countries.  Crossing state lines changes more than you might realize.

Kentucky and Tennessee are right up there as foremost recommendations firsthand.  I am in the process of building on homesteads in each of those two states.  There are PLENTY of counties in Tennessee, including the eastern part, where you can do what you want to with your land, no restrictions.  Meaning, you can live how you want to.  Set it up as a campsite, build your home out of whatever you want to use.  

Your advantage of having a long growing season and a mild winter will greatly enhance your chances for success.  You don't want a place where the only access five months per year is by snowmobile, followed by a two-month "mud season."  The less you have to be focused on fueling your furnace, or rocket mass heater, or whatever you use for heat, the more energy out of a day you can focus on getting the important thnigs done.  Your health will be greatly impacted by your routine in regards to exercise, the chores you perform on a daily basis and how you live in concert with your environment.  Living off-grid is ideal, but that's easier said than done.  Generate your power using a diesel or gasoline generator and somehow locate close enough to cell towers to have your phone serve as a Wi-Fi spot.  It's key to be able to do a project the way you want to do it, WHEN you want to do it.  Not be dictated to by the weather and your road conditions, topography, flooding, etc..  It's much better to have chosen your homestead in a place where it snows just once per winter, and your chickens, your goats, your whatever you're raising, don't have occasion to cost you extra just to pull through the winter.  Appalachia extends all the way down to past Birmingham, and lots of it is a lot more sparsely settled than up north.  We have hiking trails, lakes, fishing, boating, scenic views, all of that.

Come here first, even if it's just for a day or two, and learn everything you can about your topics.  Bring a blank notebook and take copious notes.  Talk to real estate agents, and the people that work in Rural King, Lowe's, Tractor Supply.

Let's just suppose you follow this thread of suggestions and come down South and get your 4-plus acres on the "one-payment method."  Craigslist is just one source of potential sellers.  Search the web using Startpage dot com.  That way, you're not looking at the world through Google's biased agendas, what Google chooses to show you.  LOOK FOR COUNTIES THAT DO NOT HAVE A "BUILDING INSPECTOR." They STILL EXIST.  Go a few miles out of town.  Ask a local real estate agent to ONLY e-mail you information on pieces of land in such-and-such a county(ies) with asking price at or below the figure you specify.   What time of year you do this has a lot to do with what prices you'll be offered.  The spring rush in March isn't an ideal time to buy.  But it's an ideal time to start work on what you already bought.  Work, get your 16-inch mini-chainsaw, learn how to start it ,and use it safely (start with cutting up stuff that's already felled before you do the Paul Bunyan thing), and get something in the ground that's both livable for an overnight camp, and secure/lockable/behind barbed wire, have a dog(s) for security, etc, before the hot, humid weather sets in about the second week of June at latitude 36 North.  Come prepared with some kind of vehicle that can serve as a camper.  A mini-van, at a minimum.  Ideally, a camper that is towable as a trailer or a power unit camper that can be both lived in and driven.  Get conversant with living the truck driver lifestyle.  Sleeper cabs don't have running water in them, but they always park near where they can walk to a restroom at 3:00 AM.  I tore the rear seats out of a pick-up truck.  Best modification I ever did to it!!  Truck stops, 24-hour gas stations, large shopping centers afford safe, convenient overnight parking where no one messes with you these days.  Used to be, you'd wake up to bright flashlights and thumpings after an hour and a half, but that was 2005.  The cops have a lot more to worry about these days with all those 10 million extra economic illegals streaming across our southern border with free bus and plane tickets to wherever they want to go.  Just keep your wits about you, choose your overnight parking spots judiciously, lock all your doors and keep your windows tightly rolled up (cars and trucks are built purposely with PLENTY of ventilation by default, in places we never suspect, including the vents in your dash - - you DON't run out of oxygen, keep 3 extra keys on you at all times, plenty of drinking water and sanitary supplies, diet supplements (I take fifteen (15)), and 4 or 5 black sheets and towels with bungee cords for privacy curtains.  You can sleep down to minus 4 degrees F outside air temperature comfortably with five (5) polyester fiberfill comforters if you're dressed warmly.  A knit hat is an essential, since 50% of your body heat is lost through your head and neck areas.  Having extras helps in the winter months when finding things takes up non-negligible blocks of time with the sun above the horizon only 9 hours out of every 24.

Survival skills in transition, will be key to making a homestead work on a shoestring.  Did I mention personal financial management skills?  This is not for the undisciplined or the faint of heart.  Knowing what your lifestyle is costing you "on the road" eliminates all fear while you're between income sources.  And yes, Tennessee and Kentucky do have plenty of colleges and universities where an academic can find a position.  But keep an open mind.  There are all knids of income streams available for someone witjh teaching skills.  Personal fitness trainer, freelance tutoring for kids, home health aide come to mind.

If you bring a spouse/partner and/or family members with you, it is essential that they be on board.  A team of people can get so much more done.  But there has to be unity and a singleness of purpose.  Learn from Scrum.  Meet every morning for fifteen minutes and remove obstacles out of each other's way.  Every day is a glorious adventure.

I hope this helps.
 
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