EPA Bans most wood burning stoves...WTF?

Well, the kind they are banning are way under 50% efficient. That means they are putting out a lot of smoke, not good for clean air.

I think they should ban forest fires too. And lava. They should definitely ban lava. And volcanoes like Mt. St. Helens with all that ash in the air. And leash laws for deer to keep them from eating stuff out of gardens.

The standards for new stoves have been upgraded. They're not making people get rid of existing models. This is similar to what happens when new safety or fuel consumption rules are enacted for automobiles. Existing cars can continue to be used.

The rule against reusing the old stove somewhere else, only applies when the buyer of a new stove is taking advantage of a government grant program to swap out old stoves for new. They're being paid to upgrade and get polluting stoves recycled, not to upgrade and put a piece of crap on Craigslist.

Not fair! Maybe I need a lobbyist so that everybody in the US will be legally required to buy my DVDs. Then it would be fair.

And by "fair" I mean I get to use the government to get stinking rich too.

Dale Hodgins wrote:The standards for new stoves have been upgraded. They're not making people get rid of existing models. This is similar to what happens when new safety or fuel consumption rules are enacted for automobiles. Existing cars can continue to be used.

The rule against reusing the old stove somewhere else, only applies when the buyer of a new stove is taking advantage of a government grant program to swap out old stoves for new. They're being paid to upgrade and get polluting stoves recycled, not to upgrade and put a piece of crap on Craigslist.

There are local/state laws banning their sale, including REMOVING them from houses before they are sold.

Unfortunately, there is no mandate on USING them efficiently--so just like cars people have to pay a LOT more for the new item and then still run it wrong and waste fuel.

It sounds all good and greenie weenie--but in the end is more wasteful. All we did was transfer the pollution and money to China.

The title is a bit misleading. Personally, I am fine with the EPA decision as long as it is practical.

paul wheaton wrote:Not fair! Maybe I need a lobbyist so that everybody in the US will be legally required to buy my DVDs. Then it would be fair.

And by "fair" I mean I get to use the government to get stinking rich too.

If you're able to help move the Wisner's Rocket Mass Heater designs through the system and gain official acceptance, it's quite likely that only your design would be eligible for programs aimed at that. If I could buy a URL or CSA approved kit which would make a RMH installation legal and insurable, I'd gladly pay a premium for that. After approval, the next logical step would be to jump on the subsidy bandwagon. Not only does this reduce the cost to the consumer, the EPA becomes your unpaid salesman and advocate. It's the sort of testimonial that only a large amount of money can buy.