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Summary

part 3 of a 3 part podcast

Paul and Matt continue to discuss RMHs

Paul mentions his disappointment that RMHs aren't more widespread.  Matt comments that the total number of people using wood for heating in the USA is under 2%.  Since they started developing RMHs, newer more efficient ways to heat have been developed, and the regulatory environment can work against the spread of RMHs.  In spite of this Matt sees a lot of people interested in self-sufficiency who are likely to want RMHs.

Addressing a question about RMH builders, Paul says he has a list of experienced builders at Permies.  Matt also says people have bought his plans and hired a bricklayer to do the building.

The question is raised about building an RMH in a van.  Paul comments that Uncle Mud built a cottage rocket which has a smaller footprint with a cob hat which is not actually touching the barrel but hovering over the top and catching all the radiant heat.  Matt makes the point that building a system below a 6" size it gets impractical, which Paul agrees with.

Someone raises the issue about air intakes.  There are places which mandate an external air intake.  This is a difficult issue with an RMH.  Paul thinks it's a terrible idea to seal the house and have an external air intake.  Matt has worked around it by running an air intake duct which stops right beside the air intake to the stove and this satisfies most inspectors.

Matt is asked about water heating.  His preference is to have an open water tank which heated directly by the riser outlet; if you need to move the hot water elsewhere put a heating coil in the tank.  Even simpler, you can just put a big pot on the stove full of water and use that.  Paul describes the Lorena which has a hole in which a big pot sits directly over the riser of the J tube.  On an 8" system, they can boil 5 gallons in 15 minutes.

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Rocket Mass Heater Smackdown: J-Tube vs. Batch Box
History and development of Matt Walker's rocket mass heaters
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My impression from listening to all 3 parts is that j-tube is more "no-nonsense" and utilitarian, whereas batchbox gives one more of the fire experience, with a window and more of that "having a fire" feeling.
 
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My take is that J-tubes are easier and cheaper to build and are more foolproof to operate. But you have to feed them more often, aren't so good for cooking on, and the aesthetic doesn't appeal to a lot of people. Personally I love the aesthetic but I went for one of Matt's batch box designs because I wanted to cook on it and also encourage more people to choose an RMH even if they don't like the J-tube look.

Batch boxes (Matt's designs in particular) are more expensive to build and need more skill to build (though Matt gives advice during the build if you buy his plans) but you end up with something that a lot more people would be happy to have in their homes, are good to cook on, and don't need feeding so often.
 
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