I was about to ask why, as posters had been friendy and respectful, then I saw burra's post re Paul's discomfort with people recommending glyphosate.
The 'glypho/no glypho' seems to be a perennial discussion into which I will not enter!
I know several people have suggested/requested a sort of FAQ or 'Paul Wheaton's take on...' on the forum pages.
Not something I've seen the need for before, but I think giving people some firm guidelines about the forum's particular ethics could be really valuable.
At the moment, people could be put off by not being sure of 'the rules'.
Or an interesting thread disappears because people inadvertently break those unwritten rules.
I'm not usually pro 'rules and regs', but I do think it could make things simpler, especially for new members.
There is a lot of info in the "be nice" thread about how I go about interpreting what I think "be nice" means. Other than that, I make it clear that I prefer to avoid politics and religion, favoring a more practical side of homesteading and permaculture. There is a thread that talks about how i don't want to talk about the third ethic here - because that is usually criminals insisting that I validate their criminal effort in the name of the third ethic, and since I won't do it, then I don't know what permaculture really is.
The most recent thing is that I want to focus conversation well beyond organic. So if people want to talk about GMO stuff or pesticides, that needs to happen on some other forum.
Most of this stuff can be figured out because we have set a precedent.
That's a conversation I'm looking forward to since I don't quite get what makes permaculture different than good organic gardening practices.
I'm clear there are differences, just don't know what they are.
So I'll be reading more than writing.
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H Ludi Tyler wrote:
To me, "way beyond organic" means, in part, "no kill gardening" which I try to practice, so I often run up against folks who want information about how to kill some insect "pest" or other, and when I talk about how I don't see insects as pests but rather as indicators of me not giving the plants what they need, the wannabe killers get mad. So I'm trying to learn to avoid the "I want to kill something" threads. To me, wanting to kill some critters who live in the world and whom I don't need or want to eat doesn't fit into permaculture, which is about fostering life, not curtailing it, in my opinion. But that's just me.
To me, "organic" means among other things, "no-kill".
But I'm sure to most people, not necessarily. When I first started gardening I would only use Neem or detergent in water to spray the bugs.
I read that if I did nothing, eventually nature would take care of the situation. So I stopped spraying, and learned that eventually the ladybugs would arrive to eat the aphids on my salvia.
Now, 10 years on, I rarely have bug problems and no disease. Healthy soil=healthy plants.
But I think permaculture is about more.
Anyway, Ludi, I agree with your no-kill philosophy, no matter what it is called.
We at permies.com should followed all of Paul's guidance so that we can maximize our wisdom synergy and minimize our friction! Friction, as we all know, is usually wasted energy...
I was curious what some other forums had and I did a Goggle search "recommended forum ground rules"
Meetup's Worldwide Message boards came up first ==> http://www.meetup.com/boards/thread/10354974
These are provided just as information.
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It looks exactly like this:
And then they get to the part where they are putting in their name
Note the thing about the naming policy, which is just a long winded way of saying "use a real sounding name"
I have to mention it here because I just heard from one of the stewards that somebody said that somebody was asked to change their display name because it did not meet the naming policy. The submitted an acceptable name and added the comment that the staff request was not aligned with the "terms of service".
I didn't know we had or needed a "terms of service". I suppose that that might be what I sometimes call "the list of rules" or the "the legal agreement you have when you sign up for nearly any site." And that is the whole "be nice" thing.
But above that is the idea that I'm the guy that made the site and pays the bills. So really, I get to do any nutty thing I want. I can delete stuff for no reason. I can ban people for no reason. Utter whim. I bet I can find a long series of practical jokes to perform on people just to pass the time.
As it turns out, there are things I wanna do with this site. And there are things that other people want me to do with this site. I wonder which of us will get our way?
Power corrupts. Absolute power
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