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I'm Starting my new food forest, and i wanna use the back do eden method, i have search a lot about iit! and I have question.. can i use soil from the woods (black soil) between the newspaper layer and the mulch layer? or its better to use my soil? As i dont have any compost yet. Just because my soil its not that good, and i have seen that the soil from the woods is much richer! It would be just a quick start thing on the garden.. i dont want to kill a forest digging to have a no dig forest (kinda ironic lol)
 
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I did that once because I thought the same thing.  Soil in the woods was better. It worked well for me, but I was only planting in a planter not a whole garden so I didn't have to take as much. It is better and yes if you dont destroy your whole woods trying to get the "good stuff" out.  Its  rich and just as good as any top soil or maybe even compost for that matter.
 
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The forest soil has alot of beneficial fungi, bacteria, and other good micro-organism.
If you could propagate them and then spread it all over the garden it would be even better.

I like the idea of adding bacteria and fungi food in a aerated liquid culture and then wait 24hrs.
 
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Hello Vasco, first of all congratulations for creating a food forest!! Good on ya!!! Secondly, thanks for asking the question on Permies, hopefully some more knowledgeable and experienced folk than myself will chime in as well.
I agree with you, you don't need whole layers of soil. Can you link me that video? I'd like to comment there.  
A teaspoon of forest soil contains many yards of fungi and many,many, beneficial bacteria/archea, nematodes, protozoa and arthropods.
The idea being that you take the soil food web from one place and build it up somewhere else.
But if there is nothing for that soil food web to live in, it will just die. If it's too dry in summer because the trees are too small and not established, most species in the transplanted soil will be food for bacteria and nematodes and protozoa that can live in that environment. If the environment is right you will not need much of the original soil food web to multiply, it will go everywhere it can.
I totally agree with Deedee putting it in the planting hole will be sufficient.
The important fungi are the ones that bond with the trees rootsystem. They're species specific. So if you're planting locally growing trees in your food forest, go to the biggest healthiest and collect some soil from around the stem and transplant this in the hole where you plant your tree. Close the hole at the "mother"tree and come back a year after to repeat the procedure. You can dilute it in water and poor it around the plants you want infected with the specific soil food web.
For any tree conifer try to look for an abies alba which soils contain the most mycorrhizal fungi systems.
The way i did it, someone on Permies didn't agree and saw it as wasteful, unethical and dangerous to the tree. Imagine stripping whole layers of forest soil.

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good luck Vasco, i hope you can keep us updated on how things are going.
 
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I use black soil from my forest to make potting soil with great results.
 
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Thank you for the tips! i'll definitly try it, my garden is just 9 meters to 8 meters (the part im starting with this year), i think i'll do 5 inches of my soil and 5 inches with the soil from the woods (or should i just do 2 inches of each?)! and in return i may plant some trees there :)
If you wanna follow my instagram account its CynefulGarden!

Again, thank you for helping, this forum helps a lot!
 
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