biodynamics and permaculture

This has been discussed before. https://permies.com/t/8249/permaculture/Biodynamic-vs-permaculture, but I'm interested to get updates/different takes on the subject.
I get the impression that biodynamics (bd)and Rudolf Steiner stuff in general has more traction in our part of the world than in North America.
I suspect that's more to do with 20th century German migration to Australasia than anything else!
Maybe the 'woo-woo' that freaks people out is more a historical artifact of the spritualist movements of Steiner's time, than a dogma to be adhered to or whatever.
The spiritual thing could be getting in the way of other parts of bd that I could explore further. I'm into effective methods and good results and if I can get them using the tools, but not the dogma, I might give it a go
For example, bd's all about utilising, concentrating and focusing energy. As far as I know, the scientific understanding of energy in all its forms was still relatively undeveloped and we're much more aware of it's role in the universe.

Hello Leila Rich,

Are you intersted in talk fest or doing. My interest in asking is because I am a doer.

Cheers Peter

Peter, let's say I like to talk, think, then do or not, depending on how I feel about the talking and thinking

Hello Leila

I can appreciate what your saying. Being an old hand I am not into philosofical arguement but passing on first hand knowledge.

Cheers Peter

Thanks Peter, I think I'll take it offline for now, but can I get back to you when I have specific questions a la "how do you do X?"

This thread on biodynamic vs permaculture was pretty interesting, and someone very kindly posted this link to the demeter standards which I found *very* interesting. I was able to get a good feel of how 'permaculture like' the whole set up is by piecing together in my mind what effect implementing all the rules would have.