• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Nancy Reading
  • Carla Burke
  • r ranson
  • John F Dean
  • paul wheaton
  • Pearl Sutton
stewards:
  • Jay Angler
  • Liv Smith
  • Leigh Tate
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • Timothy Norton
gardeners:
  • thomas rubino
  • Jeremy VanGelder
  • Maieshe Ljin

Right genus/wrong species and "invasives" (Amorpha canescens)

 
pollinator
Posts: 288
Location: Mason Cty, WA
41
trees books cooking food preservation writing homestead
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I just bought some leadplant seeds from Oikos. Sometimes I get too excited about something and don't do my due diligence first. In this case I find out Amorpha fruticosa is a Class B noxious weed in Washington state.

But these seeds are Amorpha canescens, and nothing says they are "invasive". The internet, in its charming addled way, thinks they're both "false indigo" and it's hard to parse information when so few use scientific names. Years ago I would have had a hysterical reaction and burned all the seeds, praying in tongues to Gaia. Now I know that species is everything: Amanita pantherina, good. Amanita phalloides HELL NO. Sagittaria latifolia, everyone's excited and plenty of info. Sagittaria platyphylla, ...crickets. (Except for the general statement that all Sagittarias are edible.) Carya ovata, let's make pawcohiccora! Carya cordiformis, yucky*. And many other examples (feel free to list, that's the only one I could come up with quickly)!

How would you proceed in this case? And more generally, have you found any patterns or rules to guide you in the Right Genus Wrong Species question? This is 1000 seeds so I will be the mother of disaster (and an Enemy of the State) if I plant them throughout the property.



_____________

*more complex than that.
 
steward
Posts: 16058
Location: USDA Zone 8a
4272
dog hunting food preservation cooking bee greening the desert
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Unless it is against the law to plant, I would love to plant these.  Very similar to my mystery plant a while back.

My favorite go to site:

https://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=amca6

Seed Treatment: Scarification and stratification are necessary if seeds are stored. Scarification can be accomplished with a 10-minute hot water soak.







https://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=amfr




It is a butterfly host:



 
Posts: 336
Location: North Coast Dominican Republic
19
forest garden trees tiny house
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Right genus, wrong species makes as much difference as the difference between chicory and endive. Or the difference between cabbage and black mustard.
 
Something must be done about this. Let's start by reading this tiny ad:
Binge on 17 Seasons of Permaculture Design Monkeys!
http://permaculture-design-course.com
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic