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A NEW PARTICLE HAS BEEN FOUND - IT WILL EITHER SOLVE ALL PROBLEMS OR DESTROY US ALL !!!  RSS feed

 
Dale Hodgins
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So it appears that the world may not end in 2012 as predicted by "scientists" on those UFO - Finding Big Foot- Ghost Hunter channels. Within the next few months the ranks of true believers will be thinned as the clock runs out on this issue.

Here's my early prediction. This new particle (I'll find out the name later) will be latched onto by some of those who are looking for the next big fad. Some will expect it to solve all of our energy problems, some will fear that the universe is doomed, it may be able to cure or cause disease or other calamities. Most importantly, The government has known about it all along and kept it's existance hidden for some sinister reason.

I'll return to this thread a year from now to examine the various "theories" that crop up. It should be fun. I've been entertaining myself and my friends with this sort of prediction since 2001 and it never disappoints.

This won't be as big as El Ninio, Y2K, 911 or 2012 hysteria. But I will eat a bug if I can't find a few whack jobs with no scientific training filling the net with wild speculation on this within a year.
 
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If your speaking of the Higgs Boson you are probably correct. Somebody will have an install it yourself particle collider pollution free power plant that uses everyday household chemicals and common metals that provides unlimited and "free " energy forever - just can't get a patent in the US due to resistance from Multinational Corporations and their government cronies. Whatever happened to the days when this kind of discovery generated great science fiction for kids to watch and stir up their imaginations ? Spider Man , the 40 Foot Woman , Godzilla - all atomic experiments gone awry.
 
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NY Times Article:
http://tinyurl.com/c4qye6v

I think it is a big deal and a lot of good will evolve

I may be wrong, but time will tell...

Everyone has a right to their opinion...

It would be nice to get back to using science to better society and human conditions.

I think young people are more open to science and factual inquiry then people my age (65)... That is my optimism...



With Respect and Regards to All
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Apparently the scientists used to call Higgs-Boson the 'goddammit' particle (as in goddammit, where is it )
The media shortened it to the 'god' particle, much to many scientist's disgust.
I think it has all sorts of awesome potential for teaching us about our universe.
Who knows, maybe it'll even run a car!
 
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Leila Rich wrote:
Who knows, maybe it'll even run a car!


Can't it just "be" without us expecting it to DO something for US?

Does everything always have to be about US? :p

 
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Tyler Ludens wrote:
Leila Rich wrote:
Who knows, maybe it'll even run a car!


Can't it just "be" without us expecting it to DO something for US?

Does everything always have to be about US? :p



It's all about us or more specifically me. So I'll get the first conspiracy started.

These particles contain untold energy, about as much as 10 tons of coal each. The government has known this since 1954 but since they're in bed with oil companies , all research has been burried. Many murders and mind erasing have served to preserve secrecy !!! My "proof" is that it's difficult to refute such a claim due to lack of evidence. They've hidden it all !!!

I've seen those ghost hunter /UFO shows, so I know the rules of evidence pretty well.
 
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How about a practical application:

The Higgs Boson is what gives matter mass. Suppose the thing is studied and understood in such a way that it can be controlled. We can control electrons-electricity. Such an idea is not too far out of the ballpark, perhaps a properly polarized and configured magnetic field (or some technogeek wizardry) could be placed between 2 masses, say a palate of bricks and the bed of a truck, to counteract the mass effect: weightlessness. Imagine a world in which transportation costs are reduced to a fraction of what they are now.
 
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Dale Hodgins wrote:

I've seen those ghost hunter /UFO shows, so I know the rules of evidence pretty well.


Darn right! Can you prove it didn't happen?!?

 
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It's not the Higgs.

Higgs was supposed to be at half the Gev this is at.
Just another pet in the particle zoo.

You can always get another particle to pop up when you are playing "whack a mole"
You just might not like what does show up tho.

And they aren't up to the dangerous Gev range yet.
When they were building the LHC, the said they wouldn't run it to 250 Gev into a lead target.
They will do that in 2013/2014.

Feyman called the particles produced at that level Stranglets.
Other folks call em other stuff, most of it related to Black Ice , i think.

Best case bad news was loss of the core magnetism.
Worst case is a black hole type collapse in a millisecond.
At least there won't be anyone around to say i told you so.

They say it can't happen , because it would have already happened on Earth Moon, Mercury etc.
It may have happened already, at Venus, Mercury, and Luna.
No magnetic field to speak of on any of them, and the composition of all are roughly identical.
Lead and other heavy metals on the surface.
No water to scatter the protons on the way in there ...

I wouldn't bet against Feynman at any odds .....

 
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Here's a link to the explanation of the Higgs Boson. There are three parts to the series. Please watch all three.

There are a lot of myths about particle physics because it's a very complex and difficult to understand topic.

Part one:
http://youtu.be/9Uh5mTxRQcg

Other parts are linked in the videos.

 
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this reminds me of a movie I enjoyed parts of "What the bleep, down the rabbit hole" Fun stuff. Ok there's also some weird stuff in it, but movies are never perfect
 
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sigh. I'm Thea's husband, and a particle accelerator operator at Fermilab. I'm one of the guys running the machines that were looking for the Higgs. We came within a gnats keister of finding the Higgs, but out data clairity was about 5% off, so we couldn't officially say we found it. To put it in better terms; we found boson droppings, CERN found the body. (granted it was rotten and picked over, but there it is) After Fermilab's work over the years we were able to narrow down the energy region that it existed in. It seemed to be just out of our reach. This is why the LHC was built to fill that gap and go on to even more boson and top quark work.
nAnyway, there it was, pretty much where we all expected to find it, we just needed a better microscope to see it.

Now some myth busting.

The Higgs isn't quite what gives things mass, it is another stop on the road to figuring that out. Keep in mind, this announcement is only that we found it, not that we understand it, not experimentally at least. We have a good grasp of the math, but that is so hard even for the big brains that it can be a little off. This is why we needed to find the energy range that it lives in, not an exact number. We were close theoretically. Now we have to find the properties experimentally.

We plowed greater than 250GeV protons AND antiprotons into lead all the time. Since the 70s in fact. not much happened except that I and my coworkers had to figure out why the beam went there. We drive particles through high B fields, things denser than lead all the time. We call it targets when done on purpose, and shielding when it isn't.

All right, black holes? Even if one were created on that small of a level it would not have enough mass to attract the particle next to it. CERN has a great video on their PR page that explains all that.

Lets see, as for controlling the Higgs, well not yet at least. We are at the limits of detector physics now. The smaller the particle, the bigger the detector needs to be. To get that small, and manipulate such short lived particles such as this would mean making a device that operates on a purely quantum level. We are not there yet. In fact even the greatest science fiction writers dance around this (Doc Smith for example). What I mean is we're a long way off.

So, does this mean that this search is meaningless? Well, just because the destination has no practical use, besides better understanding of the universe doesn't mean that what we develop during that search isn't useful. The technology we have developed to build the machines, detectors and ancillary components is being brought into use all over the world. From better computer programming to communications tech. Scanning in medicine and commerce owe a lot to the boffins at physics labs. Yes from MRIs to the internet, Particle Accelerator physicists and technicians are working every day to make your lives better. (start educational film music here)

Chris Smashing atoms into things since 2000 Olsen.


 
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Thanks for that...!!!

Keep doing the great science...

Keep on Keepin' On!

We all need everyone's efforts...

With Respect and Regard For All,
 
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Thanks Chris! It's great to hear from somebody who Knows what they're talking about. It seems like every time a great discovery is made, there's a few conspiracy theorists out there ready to pounce on it and make some crazy claims to scare the public into fearing science and mistrusting scientists. We need more folks like you to help clear things up and to squash these false claims before they get a foothold in the public. Thanks again.
 
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A google search including the word kill and the particle leads in scientific, religious and paranoid directions. A poorly made video has come up. it is called --- Higgs Boson particle kills man in Freak Accident - YouTube

In a chat room thread it was suggested that the scientists may have killed detractors. Others want the scientists killed.
 
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here is the Black Ice guy's new site.

http://cerntruth.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/119-terrorists-will-start-production-of-strangelets-irony-or-destiny/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangelet

Tevatron rocked, sorry to see it shutting down.
Guess i meant the TeV, instead of Gev.

Latest paper out on ArVix says the discovery could easily be a double lepton? decay. will see if i can find it again.
There is just so many that gets pumped out there titled like this, tho most go to say decay to photons or muons.



did find the some papers laying out the search there
arXiv:hep-ex/0612046
arXiv:hep-ex/0611001
 
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so now the Higgs is degrading as if it was a couple different spin state particles. and is showing up at three different energies. They say they are still close, but 1.5 GeV seems like large steps to me.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/12/two-faced-higgs/
 
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Guess the destroy us all bet is the winner....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/18/us-space-higgs-idUSBRE91H0RR20130218
 
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http://tinyurl.com/ckfbxyc

Particle looking 'more and more' like Higgs, LHC scientists say
March 6, 2013
 
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HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAH particle accelerators at there best.
USE A HUGE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AND GET VERY LITTLE IN RETURN.
We will definatly run out of helium due to particle physics. Thanks cern and the L.H.C.
Have you seen the amount of energy that is required to make that thing run. LOL. Tera volts A thousand million volts x 7 per run HA Whats next?
Higgs boson. What could be so important that we squander huge amounts of our resourcwes wehile people starve.
I truely am not laughing.
Interesting subject.
 
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