govt allows non organics on organic list

http://www.allgov.com/US_and_the_World/ViewNews/Federal_Government_Allows_more_than_Nonorganic_Substances_to_be_Added_to_Organic_Foods_120710

Found this today. Doesn't. Surprise me at at all.

Certified Organic has lost its way.
Knowing your farmer will never go out of style.

you expected our corrupt goobermint to not f*** something up? please.


I'm from the goobermint, and I'm here to help...yeah, ok, write the check and leave? No? then just leave.

It's all.about the money.

of course it is all about the money..that is the most unsustainable part of our world...human greed...the root source of pretty much all our problems...

so how do you prevent "permaculture" from becoming just another market driven word following "organic", "green", "natural" etc.?
all had wonderfully idealistic and admirable beginnings but once people wanted the products that were labeled as such and business found the profit in it the original meaning was corrupted.

I don't worry about the buzzwords...I farm..call it what you will, I will still farm...I am not trying to make a buck off of it...just feed my family, and whoever else it strikes my fancy to feed.

Lloyd George wrote:I don't worry about the buzzwords...I farm..call it what you will, I will still farm...I am not trying to make a buck off of it...just feed my family, and whoever else it strikes my fancy to feed.

YES! Love this.

Umm...I hate to be the contrarian, but it's always a good idea to investigate a little into articles. I generally perfer to be a-political, but thought you aught to know I investigated one of the chemicals listed in the article. Aparently the article miss spelled it slightly. Docosahexzenoic acid algae oil, really spelled docosahexaenoic acid algae oil, is actually appears to be a fancy word for fish oil.

Don't hate to be a contrarian..it is soo much fun...I just do it over on facebook, as I can piss off potentially millions of people with my "get off my >pesticide free, horseshit positve, polyculture< lawn," crap...lol.


It really doean't matter now, does it? de goobermint will phuque it up...and it proves a conastant that de gobermint, when they show up to help, will screw your world up so bad it isn't funny...


yeah, I am a pessimist...used to be an optimist, but I got sick of being wrong all the time...lol.

I tend to agree with your buzzword comment, Lloyd, but for those of us still using the "O" word I find the Organic Consumers Association site a great place to keep up with who's doing what to corrupt an idea. My "computer" is a kindle so I can't do a link but it is easy to find.

Amit Enventres wrote:Umm...I hate to be the contrarian, but it's always a good idea to investigate a little into articles. I generally perfer to be a-political, but thought you aught to know I investigated one of the chemicals listed in the article. Aparently the article miss spelled it slightly. Docosahexzenoic acid algae oil, really spelled docosahexaenoic acid algae oil, is actually appears to be a fancy word for fish oil.

Docosahexzenoic acid is more commonly listed as DHA on food labels. It is a long chain omega-3 fatty acid, and frequently found in fish oil supplemets. Docosahexzenoic acid algae oil is this fatty acid derived from algae, not fish.

I have no idea why the author would object to DHA from algae being listed as organic, assuming the algae were raised under organic guidelines. Anyone? I also do not understand the objection to carrageenan, which, as the author states, is derived from seaweed. The article says it is linked to gastrointestinal inflammation, but does that have anything to do with a food being "organic"? If I raise stinging nettles without pesticides or synthetic fertilizers, wouldn't they qualify as "organic", even though they cause skin inflammation?

Alex

I got out my copy of California Certified Organic Farmers Certification Handbook and found carrageenan under processing materials listed as "allowed non-organic". I think this is still on line for free. My copy is more than ten years old. The USDA took the standards that had already been put in place by Calif and Oregon and several other states and I trust those old standards more than the USDA. Anyway there are lists and lists of accepted and prohibited materials, additives, livestock guidelines, etc.
Just go for whole local organic foods not processed even if its organic and dont worry about it.
Petitions were able to stop the USDA from almost immediately wanting to add sewer sludge, GMO's and irradiation as acceptable for organic growers.

Lloyd wrote:

of course it is all about the money..that is the most unsustainable part of our world...human greed...the root source of pretty much all our problems...

My opinion is that fraud, coercion, violence, monopolies, abuse, bribery, and a government that allows all of the above to go on without being prosecuted are some of the bigger sources of our problems, not the desire to acquire property through honest commerce where money is the value assigned to a specific product by the willing purchaser.

Is someone who works hard to grow healthy food to sell for the highest price customers are willing to pay so he can make lots of money is doing wrong to anyone by his greed? Without coercion who is the victim? If it is not to my standards I will not buy it. If it is claimed to be to some standard but is not, that is fraud. And I believe when we get down to it we would probably agree on many things, but I respectfully disagree with your assertion.