Paul and Jocelyn talk about food, recorded not long after Paul gave the keynote address to the permaculture convergence in San Diego. People kept asking about "dietary restrictions" on this trip. Paul figured he and Jocelyn should make a podcast to go over food. "Everything in moderation, including moderation." For example, Paul loves pie, but only has it a couple of times a month, because he's noticed that pie takes away from his mental clarity. The big three Jocelyn needs to avoid are soy, dairy and gluten. She'd also rather avoid carbs because she doesn't burn a lot of calories in her work.
Both Paul and Jocelyn are paleo or Weston A Price type paleo or Weston A Price. Paul greatly values organic or better than organic food. If he can get pure and raw dairy, that seems much better for him than commercial/pasteurized dairy. In general Paul avoids all dairy. He is big on pastured meats, although he can be fine with good vegan food. Jocelyn feels a greater need for protein and meat. She eats vegetables, meats and fats, mostly. She has found fermented foods to be very helpful for her health. Aother great thing is wild foods, like nettles.
Avoiding grains helps both Paul and Jocelyn feel better. Jocelyn notices more aches and pains the morning after eating grain or even another starchy food.
Paul starts his day with coffee with either raw cream or coconut milk. Jocelyn puts organic butter in her coffee! They'll have breakfast later in the morning: greens sautéed in animal fat, onions, eggs, maybe bacon or sausage. For snacks Paul likes nuts, devilled eggs, kale chips. For dinner, meat and vegetables. No quinoa required! Sweet potatoes are better than regular potatoes, and sunchokes are even better.
No beer, no wine for Paul. Jocelyn likes wine, but rarely drinks it because she feels it the next day. Paul will indulge in a stevia sweetened pop, and enjoys water kefir, a fermented beverage. Paul is NOT fond of kombucha. Jocelyn avoids yeast, so that rules out kombucha and kefir. Both prefer water as a drink.
Paul loves fruit, and will pick a fruity dessert (pie!) over another one. Also, just plain fruit: apples, pineapple.
Paul notes that now that he's no longer cooking for his son, he hardly ever cooks. He eats "bachelor food" which he turns to only when he's too hungry to continue. Paul is open to trying raw food, but he's not into the complicated preparation needed. He is a big fan of community meals. He would much rather stay with local people than stay at a hotel or bed and breakfast, when traveling. If he feels like he's going to get the foods he likes, in the way he likes (community meals) then he's more likely to want to make a trip. (hint, hint).
In summary: meat and vegetables, don't fear the fat. If you want Paul to come visit, tempt him with paleo food!
I listened to this a few days ago. My thoughts were that Paul and Jocelyn had been hanging out in my kitchen for a while. I eat like Jocelyn, with the exception that I include raw dairy, like Paul. It's made a huge difference in my health and how I feel.
I also loved the discussion of how eating food in a community enhances the experience of the meal. My ideal life situation would be to spend part of the day on the land gardening and caring for animals, and part of the day in the kitchen preserving the harvest and creating interesting and delicious meals. I have a 5 year plan to get there (eliminating the need for outside work and then finding a rural situation).
If I were 30 years younger, without the aging parents I'm caring for, and the prey driven Airedale Terrierists that are the best dogs I've ever had (I figure they will either be very, very good or very, very bad with livestock and pest control), I'd be contacting Jocelyn about the Kitchen Goddess position on Paul's Farm. I may check back when my circumstances have changed.
PS I have listened to every podcast (purchased them from Scubbly so I could) and am totally on board. Right now I'm practicing on my large urban lot and totally enjoying the adventure.
Just listened to this podcast..I'm getting through them gradually by listening when I'm on my own for lunch. What an interesting journey so many of us take regarding food. We're not totally paleo but on the odd occasions when we eat out we pretty much always KNOW we eat bette r at home. When wwoofers stay they often rave about the food but it's 'just' home grown, grass fed, organic meat with veges from the garden. How weird is it that something so simple has become a rare luxury for so many people.
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