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gouache painting questions so beginner I'm almost afraid to ask

 
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Can I learn to paint gouache?  How hard can it be?  

I have a lot more questions and maybe others do too and can join in.  This is a safe place to ask.

I'm having a blast learning watercolour painting but I've gotten this idea that maybe I could try gouache.

First question:  

If I write "gouache" is it assumed I'm talking about the water-soluble kind?  Or do I have to say something specific to separate it from the gouache that is in an acrylic base?

Next question:

Is it going to stink?  
One of the big reasons for choosing watercolours is that most brands use natural binders which don't stink up the house.

Are any of the binders icky health-harming chemicals (like acrylics and some styles of oil painting)?  


And another  question:

What paper do I use?  Gouache can be painted on paper, right?  
There seems to be mixed advise online, so I would love to hear from people who have tried this medium.  
 
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One of the reasons I want to learn gouache is Gandalf.



Well, at least it's wizard shaped, but not bad for my first painting of a human.  

I heard that we can get a gouache-like effect by mixing gouache white with watercolours so I used it when I experimented with the Zorn limited palette (black, vermillion, yellow ochre, and white).  I also wanted to see why we don't use white in watercolour by seeing what happens when we do.  


So I've ordered the Zorn colours and would like to see what I can do with these colours in gouache.  But I know I'll have a lot of questions.  
 
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Pretty wizard.
I want to try gouache so I will follow the conversation.  But sadly I don't know the paint.  Is it like tampera?
 
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What is the difference between gouache and a starter watercolour like amazonbasic that is half chalk?
 
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Let's try this.

Which is worse?  Gouache going mouldy or drying out?
 
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r ranson wrote:Let's try this.

Which is worse?  Gouache going mouldy or drying out?



My not exactly educated guess would be mold is worse. At least with it drying out, you'd have a chance to revive it. Mold, on the other hand, I'd be inclined to toss in the trash.
 
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There has been intermittent gouach.

The start of 2024 involved a himi gelly gouache set with occasional success.



I've sinced learned, this gouache style does well when used like alla prima (one session) oil paint.  I was still using it with a watercolour mindset and... well, gave up after a few months.  The set is now dry but might be able to reactivate.

The other problem with this set was the lack of portability.  Tilt the box more than 10 degrees and paint mixes together into rainbow barf.




These days, I'm learning about oil painting, and have a painting waiting to dry before I can start the next layer.

I've also been enjoying a lot of en plein air with oils (painting in public )  but I've been thinking of trying something a little less conspicuous.

So I've been playing with gouache in between oil paintings.    Mostly painting master studies of film stills to get some portrait practice in.  I suck at painting humans, so this is a low commitment way to practice.  



On the right of the photo, there is the flower dish I've been using.   Each day, the leftover gouache dries and needs water to reactivate.   I haven't got the method of reactivating the paint down yet and have either too much water or not enough.  Either makes it difficult to get the consistency I seek.  

This white is especially resistant to reactivation.  When it's finished, I'm not buying more of this brand of white.  But the other colours seem friendly enough.

These paints are by royal talens and the colours are based on the zorn palette.
White pw6, pw5
Yellow ochre py42
Vermilion pr4
Black intenso pbk9

This is a nice starting bunch of colours for playing with.  Although more often than not, I feel like I'm fighting the paint.  I don't know how much of this is my lack of skill and how much of this is a poor match of paint to artist.  I'm curious to try other brands when this paint is used up.

I've put some paint in this new air-tight paint box to see if it solves the problem I've been having.   It also gives me a chance to try using gouache out and about.

Eventually, I want to experiment with dry gouache palette, so this is more a stepping stone.  It looks like the box takes a lot of work to keep clean and mould free. I don't match well with high maintenance art supplies.
 
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Gouache, mould, and how to prevent it.  By far the best video I've found on the subject so far



On her channel, she also has other videos testing which conditions and brands tend to make mould most and least.
 
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Wow, gouache in the wild was way harder than I expected.

Need to practice.

Also, here is one of my favourite gouache artists on YouTube with some tips on how to gouache.

 
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What is gouache?

After a long search, I've discovered many opinions and no firm answers.

To start with, I'm not talking about acrylic gouache,  that's not gouache.   It's an acrylic paint designed to be not shiny and a few other characteristics to mimic gouache.  It's out of the equation here.

Gouache is water-soluble, both before and after drying. It's highly pigmented, and dries matt (not shiny).  It can be used thick, like oils, or watered down to mimic watercolours.  It's more than a close relative to watercolours, but more on that in a moment.

That's about as much as people can agree on.

Gouache has been used by artists in Europe for a few thousand years, and probably longer elsewhere.  But it wasn't always called Gouache.  Actually, that's a very recet name, and for most of history, gouache was lumped in watercolours.  It uses the same pigments and binder (thing that makes paint paint).  Sometimes the pigment might be ground differently or binder ratio adjusted to get the desired results, but for the most part, we see it used as watercolours.   In the late 1700s, early 1800s, in English, we start to see "body colour" and "opaque watercolours" to describe colours or methods that are less transparent than others.  Often colours that include white or chalk.

Note, watercolour binders change over time in Europe.

In Constables stone hedge (when viewed in person, not so much with online copies) and his other watercolours, we can see his use of opaque, white, or body colour to help some objects stand out or fall to the back (general rule, transparent come forward)



Turner was another watercolourist who used this to great effect, but to be frank, most mid 1800 watercolour painters understood how body colour and white worked in watercolours.

Late 1800s, we start to see colour printing and photography.   Posters, books, packaging, etc.   With this, we see a need for illustrators to find an easy to work with, opaque, fast drying paint they can design the image with.  This will become what we know as gouache, but to start with, we call it poster paint and variation thereupon.  (Note, at the start, other paints were also used, but eventually gouache seems to become the industry standard).

Enter the 20th century.

We have two main trends going on.

1. Watercolour snobery.  

We see a growing trend in England and North America to toss out historical watercolour traditions and give it a narrow definition.  Old binders are out, and only gum Arabic are permitted.  By the 1940s, most opaque pigments are shunned.  By the mid century, white is added to the shunned list and the modern view of watercolours we have today is established and enforced.

2. Illustrations become more popular.

Books, magazines, everything for sale, etc, all of this needed art.  The way to get that art is to paint and photograph it.  Gouache fills this niche perfectly (and we start using the french word, gouache, for it as watercolours has banished it from their ranks).  The pigments don't even need to be lightfast as the art isn't what's being consumed.

As people expierence the art second hand, perhaps as the wrapper on their handsoap, or magazine cover, gouache becomes the trademans paint.  No longer shown in museums or galleries, it is degraded even as it comes into its own.  

At least that is what I can cobble together of the history so far.  

The problem is, we haven't solved "what is gouache"?

It seems the artists of the world are conflicted on what makes gouach gouache.  Some suggest it's watercolours that don't fit our current idea of watercolours.   So like adding  chalk to the watercolour recipe, making it opaque, and therefore, now gouache.  Examples

https://stonegroundpaint.com/pages/gouache


https://www.beampaints.com/collections/paintstones/products/gouache-6-set


Others say it is all in the pigment, grind or quantity. Or binder recipe, or...

Others have yet more options.  It is the age of the internet, afterall.  I'm curious to learn more about this.
 
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More helpful, n00b friendly videos for starting gouache









There is something about her painting style I find exciting.  
 
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Could you just use the 1/2 pint mason jars to store the paint you're working with?
 
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Most gouache paint comes in 12ml (0.4 oz) tubes, which makes a lot of paintings. Mason jars might be a bit big.  
 
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