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How far to space out my multi-story guild?

 
matt lebon
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I'm attempting to start my first multi-story guild. Randomly I've ended up with a group I'd like to try planting together. Roughly how big of surface area should this cover? Plant spacing advice? Any two plants in here I should avoid putting in the same polyculture? Much thanks!

Peach Tree (full size)
Hardy Kiwi
Raspberry
Gooseberry
Horseradish
Thyme
Chives
Yarrow
(still looking for a nitrogen fixer)

 
duane hennon
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Hi Matt

welcome to permies

where are you located?
how many of each do you have?
i do not see any problem with them except the kiwi needs a support (they are vigorous)
the peach tree shouldn't be used to support the kiwi
a nitrogen fixing tree could be used to support the kiwi
depending on you location a suitable one could be suggested
when designing the bed, think of how you are going to access (harvest)
 
matt lebon
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Thanks so much Duane!

I'm in St. Louis, MO. Zone 6

I have 1 of each plant mentioned except

2 hardy kiwi . (Not sure If I'll plant both)
3 yarrow
1 comfrey (forgot to mention)
*I could take divisions numerous divisisions of ground covers like thyme and mint

Any advice on space requirements?...both between plants and overall surface area

 
S Bengi
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Assuming that your full size peach tree has a diameter of 20ft you can plant everything under, that is about 9ft from the peach tree trunk. The only exception would be the hardy kiwi, it is going to need some type of support, like a chain link fence or the peach tree or a trellis. Other than the peach and hardy kiwi they all like shade.
 
lyla moore
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S Bengi having trouble responding to your message on homesteading. Perhaps you could email me instead: lylamoore56@yahoo.com
 
scott romack
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Midwest permaculture has an awesome ebook on guilds.
There are several in there with spacings.

http://midwestpermaculture.com/eBook/Plant%20Guilds%20eBooklet%20-%20Midwest%20Permaculture.pdf
 
David Long
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A redbud is a N-fixer that will be happy as an understory tree.

Matt, I believe I met you at the recent rain barrel workshop.
 
Aaron Festa
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I'm a newbie and this might be a little late but I believe you need to plant both a male and female hardy kiwi tree in order to produce fruit. So plant both. Also the variety of male and female is important for pollination.
 
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