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Welcome Allan Savory author of Holistic Management: A New Framework for Decision Making

 
Adrien Lapointe
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This week Allan Savory will be joining us to answer our questions about holistic management, greening the desert, grazing and much more.

There are up to four copies of his book Holistic Management: A New Framework for Decision Making up for grabs.

Allan himself will be popping into the forum over the next few days answering questions and joining in discussions.

From now through this Friday, any posts in this forum, ie the greening the desert forum, could be selected to win.

To win, you must use a name that follows our naming policy and you must have your email set up in Paul's daily-ish email..

The winner will be notified by email and must respond within 24 hours.

You can visit the Savory Institute website here.

Posts in this thread won't count, but please feel free to say hi to Allan and make him feel at home!
 
allen lumley
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Allan : Welcome, and thank you for coming here to Permies to share with all of us members your vast Knoledge in Greening the desert which is already turning into a
big problem here in North America ! For the good of the craft ! Big Al
 
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Fantastic! As someone attempting permaculture in a drought-stricken, thinly soiled hill region, I look forward to the conversations here!
 
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Mary Saunders,
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Welcome Professor Savory,

I have been following your work in Africa for a long time, and implementing your recommendations whenever and wherever possible both in Africa and here at home in the USA (Northern New York). I work as a Consultant in the areas of Sustainable Agricultural Economic and Community Development for various Donor Agencies funded through USAID, as well as via private organizations.

It is a privilege and honor to have you here on the Permies Forum and I look forward to your discussions and comments.

Alan
 
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Thank you for being here.
Sincerely,
Julie
 
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Adrien Lapointe
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Just a reminder that this thread is to welcome Allan. I have moved a lot of the questions out of this thread.
 
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Thank you, Allan, for your lifetime of work and commitment toward turning the human species into an actual caretaker of the earth instead of a despoiler. There is obviously much more work that needs to be done, but you are truly an inspiration. I for one, think there is much hope for the future, thanks again.

Manitoulin Mary
 
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WOW, your thinking is so powerful. Your answer to my question about constraining the herd is revolutionary. Allan, the gift of your time to be here is received with heaps of thanks.

I'll try to follow your son's work in Australia via the Savory Institute website and hopefully get involved at some level.

Garry
 
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Welcome Allan. I watched my first Allan Savory youtube videos just last night thanks to Paul opening my eyes to your name and work. Thank you for all of your work.
 
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Wow , I must say that Allan is doing a wonderful job answering everyones questions !! Thank you Mr Savory, Thank you !
 
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Adrien I will be going off your site now. Thank you for inviting me – I must say I had no idea how much time it would take over 3 days but feel every minute was worth it. I sincerely hope I have been able to create at least an awareness that greatly improved cropping polyculture practices alone will not reverse the desertification taking place over billions of hectares of the world’s land. Land so vast and where humidity distribution is not adequate to maintain ecological processes using high levels of manpower, fossil fuels and money to plant tap-rooted species (trees, shrubs, forbs) as the main agents of stability and production. I also hope I have helped dispel the widespread beliefs that managing holistically is some sort of grazing system. An understandable confusion because so many people have developed plagiarized derivatives of our work. Thanks to all who asked questions, and for your kind feedback.

Long ago I wrote that I could see only two things that might now save humanity – an issue large enough to unite us as a species, and the means for ordinary citizens to openly communicate rapidly around the globe (free of censorship by authorities, experts and governments). Climate change is now with us despite remaining denials largely due to multi billion dollar corporate smokescreens. And the means for us to communicate globally we are now using as I write.

Agriculture is not crop production. It is the production of food and fibre from the world’s land and waters. And, as currently carried out with our reductionist management, agriculture is without any doubt mankind’s most destructive endeavor ever, having destroyed more civilizations than armies and now a greater global threat even than fossil fuels. As I pointed out in the TED talk even in a post-fossil-fuel world of benign mass energy climate change will continue because of agriculture if we do not change.

Agriculture always involves managing “complexity”- social, cultural, environmental and economic. In a world in which nature and complexity function in wholes and patterns as Smuts wrote in 1926, management needs to be holistic and cannot successfully be reductionist. And management needs to be based on sound science and scientific principles few could argue. What constitutes reductionist management? I would define it as management in which the context for any objective is need, desire or addressing a problem. All objectives require a context and such contexts are too simplistic for the complexity of the real world – hence agriculture now contributing to global desertification, poverty, social breakdown, abuse of women and children, cultural genocide of ancient proud pastoral people, violence, war and climate change. It was this same reductionist management that led to past civilizations failing as their societies proved incapable of managing the complexity of rising population and agricultural environmental damage, before fossil fuels, monocultures and industrial agriculture. Managing holistically I would define as management at any level in which objectives have a holistic context. This is a new concept, not previously in any branch of science, philosophy or in any religion, that ties people’s deepest values and culture to their life-supporting environment.

The role of permies, as you call yourselves, is vital if we are to address our flawed agriculture and I admire the level of global networking you have achieved amongst wonderful caring open-minded people helping one another with ideas and experiences applying sound principles to crop and small animal production mainly. I hope that I have been able to at least create and awareness of the need for the holistic framework in all management – from household and small farm to government and international policies and development projects.

We at Savory Institute are striving to get the holistic framework into international consciousness rapidly to avert tragedy beyond imagination. The road over the past fifty years has been rocky indeed because as John Ralston Saul, studying our major global blunders since Voltaire and the age of reason, wrote “The reality is that the division of knowledge into feudal fiefdoms of expertise has made general understanding and coordinated action not simply impossible but despised and distrusted.”

The leadership the world desperately needs is not ever going to come from universities, experts, governments, major NGO’s or international agencies. It can only come from ordinary people like you and me. With this in mind our institute is embarking on a strategy of having people around the world form learning hubs that we will connect to one another with through an internet platform. All such hubs to be locally led and managed and to involve some land base. In late June in Boulder people from the first ten countries will meet to begin helping one another form such learning hubs. I sincerely hope that permies world-wide will begin understanding the need for management to be holistic and join in such collaboration. Only through massive collaboration between organizations and people of all cultures have we any hope of jointly beginning to revers desertification and develop an agriculture that does produce more food than eroding soil to sustain civilization as we know it. I hope many of you will join us creating this vast practical network of people learning with one another, and at least get our regular news through our website.

Please all of you feel free to use anything I wrote and distribute as widely as you like in any manner you can. We need to get greater understanding to billions of people because our survival depends on a more informed citizenry in all nations and the commonsense of ordinary people.
Warmest regards
Allan

 
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Thanks very much Allan.
I have never read anything so concentrated and wish you a good rest!

I think permies people do think "holistically", but there is something else: what do we include in the "whole"?
What mistakes are made in good faith?
Many if not all.
Every person that want to say sorry FOR REAL will do his best for REPARING the damage done.
Any other "I am sorry" are only polite words.
With respect
Thanks again.
 
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Heartfelt thanks, Allan Savory, for joining/sharing with us on the forum!
 
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Thank you very much Allan for answering all those questions, this was without a doubt one of the best book promotion we have done here at permies and I think the answers you provided will continue to help spread the word in months and years to come as people revisit older post on the forum.

So I ran the winner picker app in the forum software and only one of the winners was on the daily-ish email... That is unfortunate because the other winner's post was excellent.

Anyhow, so our only winner is


Brent Rogers


Congratulations Brent!

I sent you an email to ask for the email address of the person that first referred you to Permies.com. That person (if qualified) will also get a copy of the book.
 
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Lucky Brent!
I would have loved to win, really so much, and anyway I have ordered the 3 ebooks that are available at Savory institute!
 
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