our ancestors began eating meat earlier than previously thought
Homo homini lupus est is a Latin phrase meaning "man is a wolf to [his fellow] man." First attested in Plautus' Asinaria (195 BC, "lupus est homo homini"), the phrase is sometimes translated as "man is man's wolf", which can be interpreted to mean that man preys upon man. It is widely referenced when discussing the horrors of which humans are capable. As an opposition, Seneca wrote that "man is something sacred for man.
wayne stephen wrote:Hunter gatherers would kill a wolf and eat it also . Killing a large predator a sign of bravery . We have slaughtered wolves to protect our ranches and farms but do not eat them or spiritually gather their strength . Now it is considered a big deal for a hunter to shoot a wolf from a plane a take the skin as a trophy . Mounted for bragging rights . No one will eat a cougar either . There used to be a hunting rule that was taught to young people that if you killed something you ate it . This is not a sign of our increasing civilization but a symptom of our increasing seperation from nature . Lewis and Clark ate wolf and coyote on their journey of discovery , along with horses . I guarantee they did not eat dog when they returned to Virginia. So , maybe we need the ethics of thrift and nonwastefulness even when we have to kill a predator for self defense . I am just as guilty when protecting my chickens . Anyone have any idea how to not waste a perfectly good possum ?
Xisca Nicolas wrote:There has been some discussions about agriculture doing harm, even before chemical agriculture. So, what's about viewing in a holistic way that the mankind history can be the story of an omnivore specie that spread by increasing its herbivore diet while increasing its predator behavior?
wayne stephen wrote:This is not a sign of our increasing civilization but a symptom of our increasing separation from nature.
wayne stephen wrote:There used to be a hunting rule that was taught to young people that if you killed something you ate it.
I am just as guilty when protecting my chickens. Anyone have any idea how to not waste a perfectly good possum ?
wayne stephen wrote: If you do not believe that humans are top predators think about how many of each other we have killed. Abbie Hoffman said that we could end all wars by making eating what you kill compulsory !
Yes I also think that we deprive our pets from natural 'luck'...
Everything dies. Predators keep things from dying slowly and suffering by killing them when they first begin to weaken.
Greta Fields wrote:Cougars, coyotes and bobcats, snakes, are nice hunters, but most men, and house cats, are predators killing for sport.
An American biologist, Robert Paine, was studying seashores. He wondered what would happen if he removed one species of aquatic life—a starfish— from
that environment. This species of starfish was a predator in that community, preying on some 15 or so smaller fish and organisms.
After one year, only half ( 8 ) of the original prey species remained.
With no predator to control the populations, some of the remaining species grew quickly in number, using up available space and food.
Other species were crowded out and either forced to move or died out.
During that same year, in another part of the seashore where the starfishes were still present, all 15 species continued to thrive. The relationship between the
predator (starfish) and prey species was maintained.
Greta Fields wrote:I think violence is learned from hunting and farm life. Instead of Lorenz, I read Karl Menninger on violence, and he says hunting is violent.
wayne stephen wrote:Top predators like lions are regulated by the availability of prey. When they are successful in their hunting they have more babies and the predator population increases. If they eat too many prey animals some of them will starve.
wayne stephen wrote:They keep the grass alive by keeping trees from turning savannah into forests. They manure the grass and soil fertility increases.
... Joel Salatin has successfully shown that we can mimic the predator-prey relationship in our animal husbandry and duplicate the soil building effect that zebras and buffalo have on the land. John Seymour says that there has never been successful farming without animal inputs.