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Effect of adding nitrogen fertilizer: water accumulation

 
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Hi,
apparently, it is common knowledge that if you add nitrogen fertilizer, the crop often accumulates more water, but the dry mass stays the same. I am however looking for a scientific source for this, which I seem unable to find.

Does one of you know of a scientific source for this?
 
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Urine can be used as a fertilizer for plants, but it should be diluted and used with care.

I cant help with scientific studies though I did find this:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240923110721.htm

A lot research has been shown successful here on the forum:

https://permies.com/t/187485/permaculture/pee-fertilizer-safely-benefit-permaculture

https://permies.com/t/65080/permaculture/Urine-lot-trouble-good-idea

There is even a PEP BB for that:

https://permies.com/wiki/113116/pep-greywater-willow-feeders/Give-Urine-Growies-PEP-BB
 
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I think you mean excess nitrogen makes plants more succulent. Inorganic nitrate and ammonium forms of nitrogen are quickly assimilated by plants to make proteins, resulting in a lower C:N ratio in the shhots since the structural portion of cell wall is carbon rich. Plants have certain ranges of C:N:P ratio to be healthy and productive. These basics are usually mentioned in textbook and research articles onlines are about highly specific field, but you will have to use the terminology.
 
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I don't have a scientific paper reference at hand for you, but I've read and listened to a lot of podcasts and such on the subject from soil scientists and plant experts. Apparently plants are lazy, like humans, and perfectly happy to grow on junk food ( synthetic NPK ). This leaves out the microbs feeding them and in the process secondary metabolites, minerals, flavonoids, etc... are lacking, and apparently water is takes up the space where these nutrients would be in the plant.

I don't know if this is what you're looking for?

Here's Dr. Christine Jones talk on the negatives of using artificial N. Around the 7:00 minute marks she addresses plants lacking nutrients.





Also google Dr. James White and the Rizophagy cycle on how plants harness microbs to get all the nutrients they need without artificial inputs.

John Kempf and Dan Kittredge are other good ones to look up.
 
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Thanks all for the help.
I finally found this one, in case anyone else is wondering: https://www.aensiweb.net/AENSIWEB/rjabs/rjabs/2007/149-152.pdf
 
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