Thanks for your reply Allen, it is taken as respectful.
allen lumley wrote:It must be said that the Rocket-y noise that we have come to expect and love is only an Auditory signature of the Turbulent flow of Gases/Plasma within the R.M.H., it appears to
be missing in your build.
Having never witnessed and official RMH I must say that I am unfamiliar with the Rockety noise that you refer to. I have read references to it but I have also not heard too much of it in the many videos I have seen involving rocket mass heaters. Certainly mine does make a slight sound, but nothing like a rocket. My goal is a clean and beautiful burn as well as efficient heating.
allen lumley wrote:A single length of stove pipe placed over a conventional 'camp fire' will produce the 2' of flame you show in your videos !
Although that may be, this fire is a handful of small sticks producing a 2' flame. That impresses me, and I think it would also impress a lot of other people as well. Personally I love to see my fire and this is a very cool way to view it and to visually witness the rocketyness of the heater.
allen lumley wrote:I have a few questions on how easily this unit will initially draft,
I have made a few designs that initially drafted very well, but then I did not have the u-turn, downdraft and extra stove pipe involved at that time, which certainly creates more drag that must be overcome. This particular one you see in the video did take about 8 minutes to get to a clean burning stage. I found it was shortened by initially covering the glass with insulation and removing it once the smoke stopped coming out of the stove pipe.
allen lumley wrote:and am not satisfied from what I have seen that it will burn as clean as a more conventional unit, "Clean Glass "
only means that your temperatures are high enough to keep them clean at that point, not that you have achieved a clean burn !
I am sure there must be some instruments out there that could measure the cleanliness of the burn. I don't have them nor am I familiar with them in anyway. All I can say is it looks clean and it smells clean. What comes out the end of the stove pipe is clean.
I will not assert that this particular version of this design is optimal, far from it. I need better materials and better ways to test it to optimize it. However, I do believe from what I had done so far that a fully clean burn can be achieved with a design that incorporates about 3 feet of glass at the bottom (between the burn chamber and the beginning of the chimney) followed by a very efficient 3-4 feet of chimney which will also provide an added measure of rocketyness.
From my understanding the things required to get a full burn are enough oxygen and heat to burn all of the fuel. Providing those two conditions the shape of the heater will dictate how rockety it is, thus pushing the hot gasses through the system and out into the open air in a clean way. If that can be achieved in a beautiful way then we have a winner...IMHO.
allen lumley wrote:While you used insulating mat-like materials quite effectively, showing the J-Tube and combustion Unit directly above Regular cinder blocks, with the history of these blocks and
concrete in general showing repeated failures at temperatures in the 400 degree F range This flaw, common in U-Tube builds should not be repeated here !
This concern about the cinder blocks is a distraction from the primary design. They are just a temporary base from which I am experimenting from. For this design to be nice, it must be raised from the floor somewhat. Whatever the body design ultimately turns out to be, the heat of the body can be insulated well enough to prevent damaging what is underneath.
In the photo that is fire brick I am using and it is cemented together with a very strong Rutland furnace cement rated at 2700°F. That is a bit of particle board under it and it never even got hot enough to discolor the wood (except where some coals fell through the rock wool I used to cover it up). So the cinder block is not at all a concern.
In most of those videos, the body is made of two layers of steel mesh, with 2" of rock wool in between them and a 1/8" thick layer of Rutland furnace cement covering the steel mesh. It is so strong that I can stand on it. And it holds up to the heat very well. HOWEVER, I do not pretend this is the ideal material to use, just a possibility. For a unit that would be mass produced many other possibilities exist. This is for someone else to decide, or perhaps for me at some distant future when I once again have the time to play around with it.
John Elliott wrote:A scientific glass shop can set you up with a piece of quartz tubing that will (1) be much less prone than glass to cracking from temperature shocks and (2) is made to fit to the runs of metal flue.
Quartz is more expensive than regular glass, but would be worth it in this application. (IMHO)
The glass I am using is 3/16" Neoceram which is rated to 2300°F. Originally I tried a Quartz glass tube from a propane patio heater, it was thinner and it was cracked by the intense heat. But a custom made piece might do the trick, maybe, thanks for the suggestion.
Lets Focus on the Goal
I appreciate the suggestions and the questions. However, right now the choice of materials and manufacturing techniques are my secondary concern. My primary concern is to get other people thinking outside of the box with the hopes that someone will actually build a commercial version of this that is both beautiful and efficient, which will result in me owning and enjoying it for many years to come. This is possible, I know it is. Lets make it happen!
Sincerely,
Michael Skowronski