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Schauberger's nature of water

 
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The Extraordinary Nature of Water - Based on the theories of Viktor Schauberger

1 hour documentary.

http://youtu.be/YuVirgl8HYU
 
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Thanks for that. I've embedded the video below.

 
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Anyone who liked that, will want to follow all of the links here. http://www.chem1.com/CQ/wonkywater.html
 
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Dale Hodgins wrote:Anyone who liked that, will want to follow all of the links here. http://www.chem1.com/CQ/wonkywater.html



While I can appreciate skepticism Dale, Schauberger is a pioneer in both the destruction, and restoration of waterways and forestry. I think he deserves a bit more credit than being lumped amongst people selling water wands and magic rocks.
 
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Dale's Review

I've had a good look around the internet concerning this guy and the many offshoots and followers. It seems to be a collection of enormously gullible people lining up to be taken advantage of by charlatans. The Wikipedia page on the guy is under consideration for deletion. It seems to be a cultural thing. I see more medical and scientific nonsense of Germanic origin than from other areas. Most have a quasi religious view of water as a living organism. You'll notice the importance of 4 degrees that is brought up constantly in the imbedded video. That temperature is reached annually in Europe. In the tropics, the water never gets this cold. It should follow that only temperate and polar regions can achieve this glorious state of perfection of swirls and burps. I watched the whole thing, and if shame were part of my baggage, I would be ashamed of myself for giving this blithering ----- more than a minute or two.
 
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Dale Hodgins wrote:Dale's Review

I've had a good look around the internet concerning this guy and the many offshoots and followers. It seems to be a collection of enormously gullible people lining up to be taken advantage of by charlatans. The Wikipedia page on the guy is under consideration for deletion. It seems to be a cultural thing. I see more medical and scientific nonsense of Germanic origin than from other areas. Most have a quasi religious view of water as a living organism. You'll notice the importance of 4 degrees that is brought up constantly in the imbedded video. That temperature is reached annually in Europe. In the tropics, the water never gets this cold. It should follow that only temperate and polar regions can achieve this glorious state of perfection of swirls and burps. I watched the whole thing, and if shame were part of my baggage, I would be ashamed of myself for giving this blithering ----- more than a minute or two.



I take it you don't drink or haven't collected and observed spring water as it warms up. If you did, you would notice bubbles form on the walls of the container. These are not bubbles settling from the water shaking up, but they are bubbles forming from a release of the carbonic acid. As you sit spring water in room temperature, these bubbles are completely released over the first few days.

Every couple of weeks my wife and I collect about 30 gallons of spring water in a few different containers. We leave some out in the shed so they can keep cool. At the moment the temperature is near freezing. When we bring in another container with 15 gallons a week later, and as this water warms up, the bubbles appear again. ie the cold temperatures preserved the carbonic acid from releasing.

If you read some of Viktors articles, you would find the 4 degrees (c) temperature is what he observed where water maintained its carbonic acid and other qualities. I won't comment on the video above because I haven't watched it, but Schauberger considered this acid to give water a levity, or youthfullness.

I'm sure you have your reasons for skepticism, but skepticism without personal testing is as much a religious blind faith as any.
 
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A nice clean spring was my primary source of water for about 5 years. It was fine. Seemed to be water. If it's pretty much pure water without unhealthy contaminants, we can drink it.

I have a friend who used to be in the water business. He sold the idea that we need to get minerals from water and that really pure water would leach the minerals from our bones and teeth. We get our minerals from food. He also used the fear of Aids as a marketing tool. Various tests had proven that his machine killed the Aids virus. The consumer was left to make assumptions concerning the likelihood of their water containing the dreaded virus. This was 1983.

I've seen worthless laundry balls that are purported to structure water in some unknowable and untestable way that makes laundry soap go further. I suppose the most ridiculous and dangerous of the bunch is homeopathy, since real medical treatment is sometimes refused by those with little knowledge of how things work.
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I hereby declare all water on my land to be extra special and infused with special healing powers. Just a little bit of my water will improve other waters through the power of ---------- suggestion.

I won't be doing any further testing. When claims are made, it is the responsibility of those making the claim to prove their case. No attempt to prove anything was made in the various videos that I've seen on this subject.
 
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So did you see the carbonic acid convert into bubbles when you heated it just a little bit?

I have breathed air for 60 years - it doesn't mean I've studied it or made any relevant observations other than that it exists.

While I agree the responsibility lies in somebody making claims to prove something, equal responsibility lies in a conversation when one intends to disprove. This isn't a courtroom unless I'm mistaken. Just seems a bit anti social to me. Your proof is just as anecdotal as any sales pitch you averse.

What harm is there in people believing water is alive. Isn't there more harm in people believing the opposite? The worlds current situation is proof of the latter - compared to a handful of people losing some money on the former. Every now and then amongst the crazy ideas, there is a diamond. Somebody believes that soil is alive and not a machine to oil. etc Little damage is done. The world is made better. But amongst all the insane ideas birthed out of the minds of those who believe the world is a lifeless and un-sacred ball of lego to do what they will, almost everything that spews forth is dangerous.

You are right in that there is little proof on the subject of living water, or water that holds memory, or water that heals. But there is even less disproving it.
 
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I've seen the bubbles. Various searches of carbonic acid say that it is relatively benign unless taken in great quantity as happens with soft drinks. I don't think that is good nor bad in most instances. Here's one --- http://www.livestrong.com/article/313171-health-risks-of-carbonated-water/

Not one claim that I recognized as science was made in the videos. I think it was magic or malarkey. Not something that I want to disprove.
 
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It isn't something you want to disprove, but it would appear it is something you would like there to be little to no conversation on when you post a link to a mockery website right off the bat. Is it not equally fair if we are to mock something that evidence be provided to substantiate?

'Bubbling' has been a sign of 'life' giving properties for as far back as culture exists. e.g. lacto fermented sugars, fruits, dairies, vegetables etc. That carbonic acid is released from the water as soon as it leaves the spring is simply a bit of visual evidence to inspire the curious that water is changing, and that it is effected even by minor changes in temperature and pressure, and that it is not merely a lifeless chemical composition of hydrogen and oxygen.

I'd like to see more discussion in this area. The world could use more people who believe that water should not be dammed up at every river way and allowed to flow in its natural state.
 
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If Schauberger were buried in my yard, I'd dig him up and give him a good slap with the shovel. I'm just not a fan. None of what I've seen or read has convinced me that I should be. I'd be happy to look at any link which shows that he wasn't spinning stories.

Here's something --- http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/viktorschauberger.htm To me, it never looks good if links to perpetual motion, free energy that has been hidden by evil forces, or other non scientific stuff are on the same website. When I follow YouTube links, I find that bigfoot leads to UFOs, leads to jet contrails, leads to lizard people. It may be just a computer thing, but Mr. Schauberger's name seems to be keeping poor company in computer land.
 
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I guess I should start out stating that I was once a nuclear reactor operator that, becoming disillusioned with outrageously bad ideas taken to their outrageously bad conclusion polluting and ruining our world, started to read out of the box thinkers' work. Viktor Schauberger blew my mind! Water is life!
It seems like all of Sepp Holzer's work starts with Schauberger's. The first time I read Holzer, I thought of the strong correlation and now I am a student of both men. You must read their books and not just watch the videos!
 
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Bill, I grew up in the chemical farm paradigm and left the medical career after becoming disillusioned with the Power/control/ego moneyed crowd I was associating with. I studied Schauberger and biodynamics after a life-changing hurdle was thrown in my face, but I must say that the results I have personally proved to myself and dozens of customers over the years have made me a believer. Schauberger's research is the source of the land pi-tai system which I've built a prototype of to test out. the torus or vortex is the source of energy/life here and it was a very excruciating & even painful at times conversion from that chemical/physical paradigm of thinking to the natural/electric universe paradigm.
 
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Here is a documentary on Schauberger and his work, called "Viktor Schauberger - Comprehend and Copy Nature":
 
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A person who lives a hundred years ahead of his time doesn't understand the present, and the present doesn't understand him.

One sees things completely differently, one speaks a language that is foreign to today's scientists.

Now after so many years we have an alternative that is going to have such an immense impact economically, politically, socially and more.

I would even say that this will initiate a new age of evolution.

~ Viktor Schauberger



A worthwhile listen to be sure.
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