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Elissa Teal
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I am disgusted about how high our electricity bill is and we have made moves to reduce our electricity usage. And then this comes across my screen for a Liberty Generator. I watched the stupid long video with all of the scare tactics at which I rolled my eyes a few dozen times. But I am intrigued by the idea that electricity could be generated by composting. So, who better to ask then some permies?!

So, here is the website (http://www.libertygenerator.com/index1.php) with the stupid long scare-tactic-filled video. If you try to close the window/tab then it will ask you if you want to leave or stay on the page. Hit stay on the page and you will come to the offer page. I tried to attach a doc with a screen shot but "files with the extension .docx are not allowed as attachment in the message." The offer is $37 FOR TODAY ONLY for the detailed plans to build one EVEN IF YOU HAVE NEVER ASSEMBLED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE!!! Here is some language from the offer screen: "Some lessons you will learn from the course: You'll be able to power up ANY kind of household appliances - from lamps and toasters, to electricity hogs like refrigerators and AC units .

You can even power up a remote cabin in the wilderness - and stop worrying about having to pay the electric company $50,000 or more to hook you to the grid.
How to build a Liberty Generator under an hour...and the secrets of substituting the parts in his blueprints for common electronic devices that you can find in any RadioShack outlet...for only under $55!
The complete blueprints… color photos… and step by step instructions to make your own free energy generator… even if you never assembled anything in your entire life!
The amazing "amplifier" secret that triples, even QUADRUPLE the amount of energy you generate - so you can get off the grid quicker, and never owe a red cent to big energy again!
Sneaky places to hide your generator...so that not even the FBI can find it! This piece of information is crucial in a disaster scenario (like a hurricane when the power will be out for days)...since people will be fighting over essential items like a generator."

So, what do you know about this concept of creating electricity from compost? Or even this offer?
 
Marcos Buenijo
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I say scam. However, the best scams have grains of truth.

I checked out the site just long enough to determine that they are pushing a biogas generator. This is not quite the same as composting. This kind of system can generate enough gas for useful power generation only where resources are plentiful (think dairy farm that has access to thousands of pounds of manure each week). The average household cannot generate enough waste to make this kind of system cost effective, and certainly not for electric power generation.

Personally, I wish a very uncomfortable skin disorder for whoever is marketing this nonsense.

I take the position that grid electricity is the least expensive option. Alternatives become a relevant consideration only when grid electricity is not available. So, my advice is to stick to considering how you can reduce your electricity usage. If you decide to move to a remote site where grid electricity is not available, then things start to get more interesting.

 
Patrick Mann
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It has all the hallmarks of a scam:
- scary video
- limited time offer
- outrageous claims
- conspiracy theory
Stay away from it.
 
Elissa Teal
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Thanks for the replies!
 
Elissa Teal
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I posted this question on some other forums. One person gave me this link: http://taboodada.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/electricity-through-compost/
 
Elissa Teal
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Okay. So now that I have a better idea of what this concept is, I did a search for "diy methane gas generator" and I found some webpages that are offering plans for FREE! I've started a Pinterest board for DIY Energy Production: http://www.pinterest.com/elissamama/diy-energy-production/
 
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I did some research on biogas generator. In country like India, vietnam and china biogas generator already started a long time ago. First digestion plant to produce biogas from wastes was built in Bombay, India in 1859. The conventional biogas generator was fed with manure but nowadays biogas generator fed with any starchy material such is food waste which is rich with carbon sources. People are improvising the design, now small plant about 1000L tank is far more efficient than the 4000L of conventional biogas generator. For more info go to Let's go green and cut some bill from your household expenditure (Biogas Generator)
 
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This is a biogas generator and biogas is the real deal. We have a big biogas power plant nearby. They are taking organic waste and making electricity out of it. It's pretty nice.

Now I peronally don't know much about it, but according to this site about liberty generator it seems it's the real deal if you know a bit about building stuff. I don't think this is harder to do than your own chicken coop and we know there are plenty of DIY plans around.
 
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Jason Douglins : It is interesting that you mentioned a chicken coup. While the history and proof of effectiveness is easy to track down there is an BIG output issue,

Or perhaps I should say a small output issue !

Even if you were a typical North American food waste-er who was very dedicated about recycling your food and other wastes, the output of a Bio-Digester would
typically be adequate to provide you with enough out put to provide you ''Free cooking gas'' simultaneous use of 'Hay box cookers'* Could save you about enough
gas to do all the prep and cooking clean up and some house cleaning !

This leaves out most of the hot water and clothes washing needs!

However, if you collect you neighbors garbage and other wastes, or have chickens, you can dump their wastes into the 'digester' and gain more methane gas to do
more to meet your energy budget !

There is also the problem of keeping the digester tank warm enough that the germs within the digester are happy, here in Extreme Northern New York for instance,
I would be adding in more heat energy to keep the 'Digestion' happening than I would get out of it 5 months out of the year !

Having researched that far, I Quit looking further- so I have zero 'Facts' to share, as Detroit is not a much better location, and you need to collect your neighborhoods
garbage to make this work . . . . .

Please share any progress or especially failures if you go forward with this venture ! For the Good of The Crafts ! Big AL

Opps, Detroit was the original posters location- not yours sorry for the confusion- it might make a big difference to you

* Hay baker cooking is like crock pot cooking, and My wife and I often use it on long trips, and it is a favorite in many hunting camps I have visited ! A week using a
''Crock pot will make you a fan- A.L.
 
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