paul wheaton wrote:
It is some sort of electronic contraption that broadcasts something.
"more rain - cleared skies"
"higher yields with less inputs"
The ad never says what it is or what it does. There are pictures of solar powered contraptions sitting out in a field.
Anybody have anything to say about it?
Kerrick wrote:There isn't yet a practical application for quantum physics that has been translated to the consumer market.
As far as I understand how these things function, and the bounds of quantum theory, my understanding is that their function can be explained using conventional physics—it doesn't matter to understanding the basic function of a laser that light can be either a particle or a wave; it only matters that light waves can be concentrated in such a way that they don't scatter like ordinary light does.
Kerrick wrote:in much the same way that this apple (that you can't see) is a "quantum" apple.
Thank you for the comprehensive correction. I apologize to anyone I might otherwise have misinformed. And also to the quanta for belittling their contribution.
Kerrick wrote:their weather-making dohicky works on MAGIC, not science.
An apple is indeed a quantum apple. Granted, it's a macroscopic apple, but it is discretely different from all other apples and is either here or eaten, but not in between .
Emerson White wrote:
@Mangudai, what from those classes leads you to think that these towers might have the kind of effect they are advertised to have?
Nothing. And I am not convinced these broadcasters do anything.
I read and read about farming for a long time before going into it full time. All the science put forth by the USDA sounds really good in theory, in practice its crap. The Biodynamics community have many completely crackpot theories, in practice their food is outstanding.
@Frankenstoen, what really destroys permaculture is not pesticides or herbicides, it's costs. All these towers do is make the food cost significantly more, which makes the market for it significantly smaller. How is that not harmful?
Emerson White wrote:
@Mangudi, I've had some great sustainably grown food, and I've had some crap sustainably grown food (mealy apples, I hate! mealy apples) I've had good conventionally grown food and crap conventionally grown food.
I think that it's down to anecdote that biodynamic is better than another form of little o organic.
Surely you must look at their literature and see that what they are selling has nothing at all to do with actual quantum? Do you not get offended when someone is lying about what they are doing? Would you not be offended in Monsanto started labeling roundup as "permaculture weed spray"? These folks are committing intellectual theft, and not actually testing their product. They aren't actually building anything quantum, so they much have a fantastic profit margin (80% markup is what I'd guess based on product size and price) they could spend some of the money they are making to actually test something, but it would kill their market share. Scammers never put their products to any sort of real test.
Hundreds of years of observation and experiment have shown that the beating of Tom-Toms causes the sun to re-appear after a solar eclipse.