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Best solar setup for small home in central PA, USA?

 
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Hey Everyone, Im new to this sight. I have a question that Im hoping that someone can help me with. We are downsizing and are looking to purchasing two 40ft shipping containers to turn into a tiny house. That would equal 600 square ft I believe. We are considering running everything on solar. We live in Central Pa. So we do have cloudy days for sure. We are considering running our hot water and stove on gas. Does any one know what the best solar energy system would work best  for us. how many panels,  batteries ect. Also Ive read that its better to buy extra panels over batteries? We are VERY new to this , like babies seriously,  so please break it down in layman's terms...lol...Thanking everyone in advance 😊
 
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Welcome to permies Jane!
What an awesome project

I don't know much myself about solar PV but I'm sure that others can help. I think one of the first things is to look at your overall consumption and reduce it as much as possible. Reducing the use of powerful appliances, such as electric heaters as you have done, also can help, but that can also be a way of storing energy (as heat) instead of batteries.

You might find the video I linked here useful.

Good luck!
 
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Hi Jane, Welcome to Permies!!

AHH, what a wonderful dream!  I am slightly envious as you are at the start of an exciting journey.  But as for solar, I would probably need a bit more to go from.  Specifically, I need to know how many watts you would use in a day and that can be a difficult number to answer.  The good news is that you are not using electricity for heating, which I personally think is the worst use for solar-electric (why generate electrons just to turn them into heat when there are SOOOOO many other ways to create heat).  But maybe a reasonable list of questions to ask would look like the following:

Are you going to use electricity for any of the following things:

Laundry (washing)

Laundry (drying)

Hot water

Air conditioning?

Computer use

Other electronics

Lighting needs

Medical devices

Power tools, especially cordless (and thus the need for charging)

Kitchen devices
*Microwave (huge demand over short time!)
*Blender
*Toaster/air fryer (again, looks like a microwave!)

Fridge

Outside Fridge/Freezer

Anything else


I suspect that at a bare-bones system, you could run all of these things from a small, 2200 watt portable generator (I know, not solar, but it gives us some numbers).  This would leave almost no room for growth and you might have to load-shift which means you would have to watch which devices were being used at the same time (no microwave and air fryer!).

I would think that a more realistic number would be something like 4-5KW.  This is not a big deal to get either on a roof or on a stand nearby.


But then we get into the problematic issues.


Realistically, on a perfect day, you have about 5 peak hours from which to generate electricity.  You can still generate from the other times, but it will drop off rapidly.  This brings us to the question of whether or not you want to store electricity off grid or be a grid-tie system.  They each have their ups and downs.

Off Grid

This is the ultimate way to be really independent, but you will have to buy the batteries and they are not cheap, especially when you calculate just how much electricity you want to store.  I know it seems obvious, but solar panels are useless at night and are minimal at best in inclement weather.  Honestly, you have to decide just how much you want, but a common figure to work with is 3 days.  Consider what 3 days worth of electricity looks like in batteries (and I suggest LiFePo4 batteries for this option).  If we go with a 4Kw system that generates 20 Kw-H (Kilowatt Hours) during those 5 peak hours then you would want 60 Kw-H worth of batteries.  If you store electricity in a 12v 100 ah battery (a common size and voltage), then you are looking at 1.2 Kw-H per battery.  At a bare minimum, you would want 17 of those batteries.  I took a quick look, a a mid-range battery meeting those specs looks like this one here
https://www.eco-worthy.com/products/lifepo4-12v-100ah-lithium-iron-phosphate-battery?srsltid=AfmBOopCxnjvVOju3GupEq6zhxr7oXzAW5hfgn-tUNWBqi_fbzWYJe6WrJw

It costs $190 at the time of writing, down from $280.  That's $3230 for the batteries.  Realistically, these would probably need to be purchased in pairs so bumps the price to 3420.

Then we have to consider the charger (go with MPPT!) and some extra components.  Expect up to about $500.


So from there you might think about going grid-tie and I completely understand.  But when you do, you are going to pay a monthly hookup fee (probably $20).  There is also some specialized components that are designed to prevent backflow down the line in an emergency.  The issue is that if there is a power outage in the area and you are producing electricity, any electrical worker could get a nasty to fatal shock even if he thinks that the power is off (that is, as coming from the power plant).  But since you are generating electricity from your house and feeding backwards, a line could be live even when it should be dead.  This is a real concern and it adds a non-trivial amount to the cost.  Also, the power company may or may not buy electricity from you and pay you for the same electricity for the same price!

And it only gets more complicated.

Please don't look at this as me being anti-solar.  I am not. But if you do go solar, go in with eyes wide open.


But short version, if I were you and just guessing at this point, I would go with a 3kw-4kw system, but this will vary drastically on your location and usage.


I have no idea if this helped or not, but maybe it gives a starting point.


Let me know what you think!!!




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As has been already indicated, much depends upon your needs and plans.  I have a solar array that is primarily designed for emergencies. So it is designed to operate some lights, charge computers and phones, operate the refrigrator, and operate a few fans. I do not use it for air conditioning, furnace fans, freezer, kitchen appliances, the barn, etc .  While I do use it to a limited degree on an ongoing basis, it would be much larger if I saw it as my only source.
 
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