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egalitarism versus celebrating diversity

 
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Every once in a while this forum reminds me that permaculture doesn't dominate the world yet, and that that is a great challenge to try to contribute to ; )


While observing a lot of different "nature reserves" to work on my landscape reading skills, writing in this tread https://permies.com/t/40473/tnk/Pattern-recognition-skills and many more things....

the thought occurred to me that a "culture" of egalitarianism when stretched too far, can hinder things like celebrating diversity... there appears to be a tension between egalitarian thoughts and opportunities to see and value diversity amongst people... and there appears to be something very human about judging people being or not being good at something, depending on the dominant culture.

I think finding out what a cultures taboos are is a great source of information and an opportunity for more respect for diverstity,
Within permaculture circles I meet a lot of "Intellectual skills, are not very usefull!" And this is just te biggest taboo I can think of right now, but there are probably (many) other too, as were all humans....

Anybody got any thought on this? What can be done to create more balance?

What is your taboo? And what kind of taboos do you run into most in the (sub)cultures you are a part of?

As an ex-vegetarian, my biggest taboo at the moment is vegetarianism...











 
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I think taboos are based on traditions and the general culture of that area. I do not agree with making any form of knowledge taboo, because I do not think anything is inherently good or bad- the application a person puts that knowledge to can be good, bad, or in the middle. On taboo actions, I think balance could be restored if taboos were based on the idea that "people have rights, ideas do not" and not on sentimental regional, cultural, and tradition biases. Regarding where people fit into societies and "circles," I think that all people are useful, no matter what type of skills they have; they just have to find a place or make a place for themselves.

My biggest taboo would probably be ignorance and apathy. I dislike it when I don't know what is going on all the time, and I don't like it when other people don't know what is going on. I also care a lot about what is going on, what will happen, what has happened, and I find it a little disappointing when people don't care about the past, present, and future. The reason these are my taboos is that I think the root of all bad things come from a lack of knowledge or a shared knowledge base between others. When people have common knowledge between each other and know more, I think less bad things will happen.
 
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I don't worry much about equality. I worry about how to avoid controlling things. I'd rather saturate the ground with seeds and let the seeds decide who is going to thrive and where. I really liked that about Fukuoka's approach.

Of course, it isn't possible to give up control completely-- I sure would like more fruit trees near the house. But whatever I can let do, I let do.
 
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Maranke Spoor wrote:Within permaculture circles I meet a lot of "Intellectual skills, are not very usefull!"

Interesting. The permaculture people I've actually met, and the ones I've 'met' online, have all very much valued the intellectual.
After all, it's a pretty 'thinky' thing, this permaculture business
A big part of what I like about permaculture is that I need to conceptualise, theorise, intelectualise (and a whole bunch o0f other 'ises')
in order to do stuff-even some fairly brainless physical activities require plenty of planning etc beforehand, or it's a waste of time!

Maranke Spoor wrote:What is your taboo?

I don't have much in the way of taboos,
but I do have a quite permies-specific one: I get really jumpy when there's any assumptions about people's spiritual affiliations.
I say permies because NZ and the USA have very different religious cultures-over here, a large majority consider themselves to have 'no religion'.

Maranke Spoor wrote:what kind of taboos do you run into most in the (sub)cultures you are a part of?

I'd generally avoid talking about 1080 poison, flouridation and vaccinations, as my opinion differs from the vast majority of my 'crowd'.












 
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I just want to bang my head on a rock, when I get caught in a lineup with anti vaccination fans. --- Well, not my head actually.
 
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