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travis mathews
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I was curious as to know the best method to pump water from the grow bed back to aquaculture. Im trying to do it without use of a pump so i had an idea and im not sure if it will work. If someone has experience in this, please feel free to respond... my idea is as follows.

Aqua culture tank drains to filter, filter drains to grow bed, grow bed pumps water to aqua culture tank. To get the water from the grow bed to the aqua culture tank i would use a bell siphon. But the only thing that i can imagine would go wrong is the fact that the bell siphon would have to siphon the water uphill.

Is this even possible? I know a regular siphon wont move water uphill but what are the pricipals of a bell siphon?
 
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Travis Mathews : Welcome to Permies.com / Richsoil.com, with over 27,000 fellow members world wide you can come here 24/7 to talk with someone
who wants to talk about what you want to talk about !

Not even the bell syphon can move water uphill ! I am about to send you to a fellow members Youtube.com Channel, so this is where I tell you that
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Once you get to the web4deb channel you want to check out his aquaponics set ups and review his Q & A playlists !

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Tom OHern
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Hi Travis,

No, a bell siphon will not move water uphill either. You are going to need a powered pump to make your setup work.
 
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As Tom mentioned, you're going to need some external input to move the water uphill. A mechanical pump is probably the way to go.

In theory, you could avoid a traditional mechanical pump by using sunlight to evaporate water from the grow bed and then condense it above the aquaculture tank. This is the way nature pumps water uphill, but nature has 139 million square miles of oceans to evaporate, and you don't.
 
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Thank you everyone for your response. I figured it wouldnt work but i didnt want to waste my time and money trying to find out the hard way!

Thank you again.
 
Jeremiah Robinson
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You could boil the water with a fire and use a piece of angled glass to make sure the water condensed in the other portion of the system.

If you were on the moon, the Earth-tide could do a good job of transferring water. If avoiding electricity use is the goal, you'd have to bring a lot of firewood along to keep your water melted. Also little breathing apparatus for your fish since there's no oxygen.

Where there's a will there's a way

Good luck!
 
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Hi, OP

Have you seen anything on air lift pumps? This one's pretty good but there are a few out there.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nU6nE6bT

The problem with heating the water to lift it is that you want a balanced temp. Would be great for heating a room or house, though.

Also, you may want to think about a sump tank. Then, you could set up a little CHFT system (constant hight in fish tank). One pump!
 
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- just want to jump back in here for a second bite of the apple! I am assuming that space is not unlimited, - I would propose stacking the Grow bed on top of the
Aquaculture tank, it makes sense on a few different levels ( Does not solve the pump problem tho) The Grow beds will require more hands on and should
be easily accessible.

With a power failure you want the grow Bed to be un-floodable, water that drains back to the fish tank seems a good fall-back position.

Just my two cents ! Big AL
 
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The Forum Thread for this fantastic little pump needs more circulation, So I'm also linking it here too!.link below :


http://www.permies.com/t/33523/biodiesel/world-famous-SBC-pump#340555

For the Crafts Big AL

 
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The Forum Thread for this fantastic little pump needs more circulation, So I'm also linking it here too!.link below :


http://www.permies.com/t/33523/biodiesel/world-famous-SBC-pump#340555

For the Crafts Big AL

 
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