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food forest in California...

doug urgan
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Hello Permies.
I've been slowly transforming my small town urban house plot into a permaculture paradise. I've transformed my back yard into hugelkultur pallet garden and working on a small(tiny) pond to feed my garden.
In the front a have "lots of space" i have two 1 year old hugelkultur planted with cardoon, peas, comfrey, sun chokes and local flowers. I've slowly been growing a walking stick kale fence around this area. Ive recently planted a couple fruit trees an apple and frost peach which are putting on vigorous growth (which delights me to no end)
other than that I am very much a novice when it comes to trees and developing a food forests, any help would be greatly appreciated. I have plenty of experience with growing vegatables and have a very green thumb.

live in zone 9b on the coast of Humboldt county. lots of foggy moist morning in spring and fall.

I'm hoping to fit as much as i can into an area 25 x 80 ft. and keep the trees far enough from my house foundation which is 50 ft of the 80ft span on the west side of the area. with the two 12 x 4 ft hugelkulturs in an L patern at the north of the of the area. the east and north are both surrounded by a concrete road.

I know I should get these in the ground asap but need a good layout first.
I might have over purchased for the area i have. I plan on keeping it well pruned and a manageable size.

From jiovi.com

thornless honey locust


Manchurian apricot. x2

saskatoon service berry x3

paw paw plants x2

siberian pea bush

seabuckthorn x2

i also have
Meyers lemon trees. x2

elderberries blue x2 varieties

Oregon grape.

ling cherry.

Do you have a suggested layout I could use?

Thank you so much for your time

Amit Enventres
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Location: Ohio, USA
fish food preservation forest garden
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Very nice! And thank you for letting me know about jiovi.com. You like what you got from there?

Are you looking for capturing light? Then make a u-to the south, big ones in back and smaller ones up front, just like a photograph. Looking to shade the plants, do the opposite. To get the most plants per area with the most sun, stagger while imagining where the sun hits most of the time. I can't see you're place from here, so no drawings from me! . For the best production, fruit trees tend to need sun. Vines can climb up trees, choose the bigger trees for this. N-fixers should be in the middle of the others. The one you want the most production, find the best space. Most fruit trees only need to be dealt with once a week (except in season) so they don't need to be in zone 1. 25 x 80 is a lot of area: do you plan on pruning?

Also, I think traditional orchard spacing is more related to equipment and production than a tree's needs for survival.

But, this is just all my opinion.

Good luck!
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